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"Co-creating" My World?

LizFL

21-12-2005 09:54:44

Am I the only person who think that this is a little ... "Out There"? ?


I'm not God ... and I'm not a sorceress. I can't stop a hurricane and I can't make the sun stop shining. There ARE real, physical limits as to what I as an individual can do.

If "intention" is all-providing, why are there so many poor, starving people in the world? I can't help but be reminded of some preachers I've heard who say, "If you're hurting, it's because you're lacking faith."

And finally, there ARE truly greedy, evil, and dishonest people in the world. How do I deal with them? I can "raise the world's energy levels" until the cows come home -- and they won't go away.



As much as I'd love to believe in this book's message, I'm torn between it and what my experience has told me. (

On_Purpose

03-01-2006 12:38:11

Do you have a 'spiritual' backround? I'd love to talk to you more about this but I'd like to find out more about you first.

LizFL

12-01-2006 20:01:20

My spiritual background


I grew up Methodist, but I left the church after high school. I was disgusted by the hypocrisy I saw in the church (It seemed as if the commandment "Love thy Neighbor as Thyself" only applied to everyone who was as Christian as they were. roll )
I became an atheist in college. I saw religion as being little more than a club used to abuse other people.
I was a Unitarian for a while after college. I left after I had a falling-out with my church (The humanists within the congregation drove out the pastor. ( )


I guess I'm pretty much an atheist now (9/11, Katrina, and the tsunamis in Asia all played a part.)

As much as I want to believe in this "Source", I just can't. ( How can this supposedly "all-providing Source" allow so many people to die of starvation? How can this "Source" allow them to live in poverty? These are questions that no one as of yet has satisfactorily answered.

On_Purpose

13-01-2006 08:24:38

" I grew up Methodist, but I left the church after high school. I was disgusted by the hypocrisy I saw in the church (It seemed as if the commandment "Love thy Neighbor as Thyself" only applied to everyone who was as Christian as they were. Rolling Eyes )"

I WAS BABTISED 'FREE METHODIST'. I TOO HAVE A SIMILAR BACKROUND. I SPENT YEARS QUESTIONING 'HOW THEY(the so-called christians) COULD BE SUCH HIPOCRITES.' BUT EVENTUALLY I REALIZED 'THEY' PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU AND ME. OUR OPINIONS OF OTHERS ARE JUST THAT, OPINIONS. CONVERSELY, THEY'RE OPINIONS OF US ARE JUST THAT, OPINIONS. WHAT THEY THINK, YOUR PAST, ETC. SHOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR SPIRITUALITY NOW.

"I saw religion as being little more than a club used to abuse other people. "

WOW, THAT'S A POWERFUL STATEMENT. BUT WHAT DR. DYER AND THOSE OF US IN THE FORUM ARE SAYING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION. RELIGION IS MADE BY MAN. THE SPIRIT COMES FROM THE 'SOURCE'. WHEN PEOPLE ASK IF I'M RELIGIOUS I ALWAYS ANSWER, "NO, BUT I'M A DEEPLE SPIRITUAL INDIVIDUAL".

" I was a Unitarian for a while after college. I left after I had a falling-out with my church (The humanists within the congregation drove out the pastor. Sad )"

WHEN I WAS 15 THE LAY PASTOR AT MY CONGREGATION AND HIS WIFE TOOK IN AN IMMIGRANT. OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, THE MAN HAD AN AFFAIR WITH MY PREACHERS WIFE. AND INSTEAD OF COUNSELING, THEY EXCOMMUNICATED THE PREACHER SAYING, 'IF YOU CAN'T LEAD YOUR FAMILY HOW CAN YOU LEAD THE CONGREGATION'. I CHOSE TO HANG ON TO THAT FOR TOO LONG.

"I guess I'm pretty much an atheist now (9/11, Katrina, and the tsunamis in Asia all played a part.) "

DISASTERS, NATURAL AND OTHERWISE ARE INDEED SAD, BUT THEY ARE NECESSARY. YES, WE FEEL DEEPLY FOR THOSE WHO LOST FAMILY MEMBERS AND THEIR HOMES; AND FOR THAT MATTER, LIVES...BUT... SO MUCH GOOD HAS COME OUT OF THOSE THINGS TOO. WITHOUT THOSE THINGS PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE 'RAMPED UP' TSUNAMI INVESTIGATIONS AND STUDY... AND I'VE READ NUMEROUS STORIES OF LA AND MS FAMILIES WHO ARE 'BETTER OFF' SINCE KATRINA AND RITA. IN OTHER WORDS, 'WHEN YOU CHANGE THE WAY YOU LOOK AT THINGS, THE THINGS YOU LOOK AT CHANGE'. LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL... THERE IS BEAUTY IN ALL THINGS... EVEN IF THOSE THINGS ARE SAD.

YOU MENTIONED HOW, 'YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IN THE SOURCE BUT YOU CAN'T'. WELL, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THE SOURCE 'DOES EXIST'. IN EACH OF US...IN ALL THINGS. ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE, AND KNOW THAT THE SOURCE IS IN US AND WE ARE IN THE SOURCE. ONE OF MY FAVORITE DR. DYER QUOTES IS, 'WE ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS TRYING TO BE SPIRITUAL, WE ARE SPIRITUAL BEINGS TRYING TO BE HUMAN'. START SEEING GOOD AND BEAUTY IN EVERYONE YOU MEET. MAKE 'YOURSELF' FEEL GOOD BY MAKING OTHERS FEEL GOOD. AND THE MORE YOU ARE HAPPY, THE BIGGER EFFECT YOU'LL HAVE ON THOSE AROUND YOU!

jellyfarm

13-01-2006 10:00:26

We are all not seeing the bigger picture yet and we are all not awake in order to eradicate the poverty that has struck our world. All the world's poverty is caused by those who have more than enough but yet they want to reap more because of fear.

There's a book called "Jungle child". it's an interesting read about this western family who moved out to the middle of nowhere in Fiji I believe (I've yet to read this book, but I'm on the lookout for it at the local bookstore) and they had their little girl raised there in the modst of the jungle with a lost tribe. At the age of 17, she was moved to a boarding school in Switzerland and she is quoted as saying that when she moved to the developed country, she sensed and felt fear like never before. "When i was in the jungle with a lost tribe, I was very happy but now in a developed country, I feel lost!"

What an awesome quote. That really wants me to go out and read about what this Indigo kid has to say about her observations living the jungle and city life.

trust me, we'd be much more happier up in the trees! D