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Sanctuary

Anonymous

28-08-2004 18:24:42

Does anyone remember the name of the book which I think is Sanctuary that Dr. Dyer refers to for a particular energy healing system? Also, I would like to learn more about it if anyone knows!

chris knight

29-08-2004 07:00:00

Does anyone remember the name of the book which I think is sanctuary that Dr. Dyer refers to for a particular energy healing system?

This is the book I think you're looking for

Sanctuary The Path to Consciousness by Stephen Lewis & Evan Slawson

Ron

27-09-2004 12:18:11

I believe the pages 284 - 186 in Spiritual Solutions gives you the basics for healing. I have always looked to the soul as the sanctuary where I sit and be still - the place of no thought - the spot of eternity that is simply mine to partake of. In the sanctuary of the soul, I sit in the stillness of the silence and just be. Therein I experience the presence of my truth - the presence of God - and I know deep within me that I am not this body I believe in. I have no sickness that I thought of. I have no illness I have made within my world of illusions. In the sanctuary of my soul, I am the perfect image and likeness of God. Does God require healing? Neither do you or I.

Namaste - Ron

sc

29-09-2004 23:01:03

Thank you Chris and Ron for your comments. I appreciate them. Has anybody experienced Sanctuary that Dr. Dyer talks about?

Ron

30-09-2004 09:21:19

First of all, a correction to my previous post - the pages are 184 - 186. Now for your question please explain or ask more specifically what you are looking for. Are you looking for an alternative method of healing compared to medical healing? Are you looking for how others have healed themselves while just being wthin - as it is called? We all want to help you but you must be a bit more specific. Looking forward to your reply. Please know that you are being held in the healing light of love.

Namaste - Ron

sc

02-10-2004 01:10:29

Hello Ron,
Thanks for your response. I feel like I am looking for the ultimate answer in regards to healing. There is a lot modern medicine can do, but for the most part, it is what I believe "band aid" technology. The same disease processes recur. I do understand to some extent your reference to the healing section in CIM. however, I am not certain i know how to apply it either personally or to my patients. I am of the belief that there is a link to optimal healing between the spirit and the body, and that is what I am trying to understand better.

Thanks
Sc

Ron

02-10-2004 08:56:50

sc - your looking for "the ultimate answer in regards to healing" is a chase that ego will have you running forever. The answer you seek in not out there - my thoughs here - but the answer is within. Is there a connection between body and spirit? Some believe there is, while others, myself included, believe the body is not real - not truth - it is but an illusion. So why then is sickness and illness present? Only because the mind thinks it is - the mind is the cause and also the cure. For me, that is the "ultimate answer." And what can you do for a patient? Certainly not cure them or give them a cure. What you can do is instill in them the thoughts they are to hold within their mind. I have known several people who have "quit living" when they were told they had but a few weeks to live. And I have known more than rejected the statement of a short life expectancy and are still living. You know about the placebo effects, right?
Perhaps rather than trying to be what you cannot be, and being what you are.

Namaste - Ron

sc

02-10-2004 18:03:29

Ron,
i see what you are saying. What you are saying makes intuitive sense to me. However, I also believe in the ladder theory. Wherein, people at the top of the ladder certainly can view themselves primarily as consciousness or spirit with physical body being simply a projection of the mind or the ego.

Nonetheless, there are a lot of people who haven't even started to climb the ladder or are in the process of climbing. Meaning, they will not be able to comprehend the concept you have stated. I feel the reason modern medicine exists is to create comfort and healing for these people. I think what you are saying is that we should be working on helping them in trying to edge up the ladder. In the meantime, energy healing maybe effective?

chris knight

02-10-2004 19:03:50

Nonetheless, there are a lot of people who haven't even started to climb the ladder or are in the process of climbing. Meaning, they will not be able to comprehend the concept you have stated. I feel the reason modern medicine exists is to create comfort and healing for these people. I think what you are saying is that we should be working on helping them in trying to edge up the ladder. In the meantime, energy healing maybe effective?

If I could throw in my realism nickel here

Modern medicine exists because the physical body breaks down (either by itself and with or without the help of a poisinous mind) and all of the blue sky thinking in the world is not going to repair it.

There is no conclusive evidence that energy healing or those who are convinced that they can send healing energy waves through the air -- can actually heal anyone. With that said, I see no downside to trying.

Perhaps energy healing can have the same "hope" healing effect that prayers do. You know, how a human can feel uplifted if they know that others are thinking about them or praying for their well being. Just knowing that someone cares about you personally can be "healing" all by itself...and perhaps that allows ones spirit or body to heal itself.

Lastly, the best way to help someone up the enlightenment laddar is to work on yourself so that you can be an example in action of a person who has transcended the pettyness that is the immature spirit in all of us at some point in our lives.

Ron

02-10-2004 21:45:06

First sc - First of all, I don't believe in "ladders" or "levels" - we are all exactly in our right and perfect place, as the saying goes. My right and perfect place may not be yours, but it is mine. And the word "energy" that is bounce around so much - means to me - Love - the substance we are. When we talk "energy" we are talking not of the body - a physical illusion. The body will cease to be at some point on this journey, but the energy - the love - the truth we are - continues - we are eternal. When you separate yourself from the body - that is to see yourself as the truth of who and what you are - then you will always see yourself whole (holy) and healed and perfect in all ways. Bottom line with energy is that although you may give it to another, the other must accept it, acknowledge it as received. There are many, many times in your daily living where you have and do unconsciously deny Love being sent to you and your receipt of it. But you nevertheless, did in fact receive it. Why? Because there is no place that you are that energy is not already there.

You cannot do for another what they themselves do not want to do for them. It is impossible!

I agree with Chris as to why modern medicine is around - we have to have some place to go to be told what we already are thinking in our mind, and then told that this or that will make us feel better. If we believe in this or that, we will feel better. And energy healing, as it is called, does not occur because of the healer - it occurs because the person wants to be healed. Go back into the Bible, even though the stories are fiction at best and written so many times, the healings of Jesus were not by Jesus, but by the person who wanted to be healed and believe that if Jesus said they were healed, they would be healed. They healed themselves.

And in Unity, I have witnessed the effects of Prayer Groups in praying for an individual. That person, knowing that this group was holding them in prayer, got better because they believe in the power of prayer - they believed that if a prayer was offered for them, they would be cured. I have also witnessed many people just simply wanting to call it quits on life, and they do.

Wayne is a student of the Course which tells us that the mind dictates to the body and the body responds. In illness, we are told that we hold a thought of illness in our minds, and until we change our thought, the illness persists. You know how you say that this is flu season and therefore you will catch your yearly flu - just an example here - that is the beginning - you have a thought and you go with it. This is why Wayne is always pounding away at the fact that we must become very conscious of our every thought and every word.

Namaste - Ron

sc

04-10-2004 20:49:00

Ron and Chris,
thanks for the input. although, there have been blinded trials where half the patients were not told that there was a prayer group focused on them, and they did better than the control. Nonetheless, I agree with what you are saying. Infact, a lot of my colleagues don't work with patients who are being perceived as having had lost the will to live.

You guys mentioned working on myself as a way of effecting or facilitating improvement generally. I guess you are alluding to detachment and not being caught up in the ego pays. When I am thinking clearly I find it very easy (also when things are on the upswing). however, when things are not neccessarily on the up and up, I start wondering if what I am doing is wrong. and it occurs in such a subtl e manner, that it takes a goood while to regain some sense of control, particularly if external events are tough on my wife or kids. Any suggestions?

Ron

06-10-2004 15:53:22

You wrote "I guess you are alluding to detachment and not being caught up in the ego pays. When I am thinking clearly I find it very easy (also when things are on the upswing). however, when things are not neccessarily on the up and up, I start wondering if what I am doing is wrong. and it occurs in such a subtl e manner, that it takes a goood while to regain some sense of control, particularly if external events are tough on my wife or kids. Any suggestions?"

Detachment is letting go - surrendering the outcome of what we cannot control to begin with - certainly not failure. In letting go, we release as well getting caught up in the ego way of going in cirlces - getting no where instead of now here. When you think within, you feel good - when you think outside, you are naturally upset. When doubt creeps in your thoughts, it is the time to pay close attention. Doubt is nothing but fear, and fear is nothing but ego pulling us away from the truth we know about us. When you do anything - any thing at all - do it with the knowledge that it is already finished and perfect. Never doubt yourself for a moment. And events that you see as "tough" are events you see in the darkness of doubt. Are the events "tough" on the wife and kids from their view, or just yours? Like intentions that Wayne talks of in his new book, the intention must be let go of in order to come back to you. Letting go is hard, ask anyone. But until you let go of what you think you can control, you will never find out that what you truly want in life is ready to come to you. Picture yourself holding on to anything with a close fist - you cannot grasp anything else with a closed fist - you must open that fist and let go of what you think you are holding.

Namaste - Ron