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chris knight

31-07-2004 06:31:57

Here is an excerpt of a readers review of Wayne Dyer's "There's a Spiritual Solution to Every Problem"
"Rating - Utter nonsense
Having read some of Wayne Dyer's early books I am supremely disappointed in "There's a Spiritual Solution to Every Problem". His original ideas attempted to teach people to live their lives without some of the self-imposed limitations all humans tend to attach to themselves, and were worthy of being called self-help. This book espouses nonsensical ideas that have no basis in the reality of life on this planet. Additionally, the writing is extremely repetitive, and contradictory throughout. Dr. Dyer alternates beween seeing all humans as divine and then speaks of God's mercy and forgiveness. If I am divine how could there be another God who dispenses forgiveness? He also speaks of the idea of God as just a source of power and energy available to anyone for their use while trying to blend these ideas with scientific research on quantum physics. Doesn't work for me.

Dr. Dyer presents his ideas as based on the wisdom of many spiritual paths, and while I cannot speak for some of the others he definately misrepresents Christian ideas blatently. Whatever you believe about christian thought it is not represented well in this volume. Quotations are taken out of context and made to serve his basic panthesistic mindset. Additionally, his stated belief that "problems are illusions of the material world" lend no assistance to those afflicted by circumstances beyond their control and who are trying to find guidance through their trials. His writings are basic new age thought and are not in keeping with ideas he put forth in earlier writings contrary to what he believes about himself.

If you are looking for a spiritual path I would suggest investigating ideas on your own so you know what each truely teaches. Wayne Dyer will only lead you down a rabbit trail."

Source Amazon.com Reader Reviews
I wasn't sure what "panthesistic" meant, so I looked it up. It's not a real word, but rather I think the author of those comments meant, "pantheistic."

The dictionary had this
"A doctrine identifying the Deity with the universe and its phenomena.
Belief in and worship of all gods."
Source http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pantheistic

I'd be curious to hear your comments about the arguments made in this book review. Click on POST REPLY to add your thoughts.

Anonymous

08-08-2004 10:46:13

The Amazon Reader comments sounded like someone whos belief system has been challenged and is fearful of embracing a new paradigm.

What I see in the book is that the divinity that is God is also in me and as such the forgiveness I need to put my mistakes in the past and move forward is available within as a result of the work of God himself.

I'm inspired by his book. It has challenged much of my earlier "religious" teaching. I'm now learning about spiritual living versus religious behavior that tended to separate me from God, but look good to others.

My religious background told me that there was only one God, but it also told me a lot about Him that was skewed and actually made God appear to be "out there" and only available through a "church" experience.

I'm learning and growing...

Naga

08-08-2004 20:26:07

I have read all of Dr. Dyerís books and keep reading them over and over. There is a change in his writing and thinking but I love it all the same. In fact, these days I prefer his later books compared to Skyís the Limit or Pulling Your Own Strings. If my boys wanted to read those books, I would want them to read in the same order. The latter books are harder to understand when one has less exposure to other religions and cultures.

I like some of the repetitiveness in Wayneís books. The concepts are hard to understand. The repetition makes it easier. It is obvious that the above review has come from a Christian with a closed mind. Is there only one interpretation for any religious saying or belief? Many of us are capable of drawing our own conclusions from anything thatís said. Donít we read several books on any one subject to get a better understanding? And not all authors or experts agree anyway.

While the word pantheistic means worship of all gods, letís take a look at the phrase ďall godsĒ. Are there many Gods? Donít all religions speak of one God? Why do people get so offended when a person of their religion is accepting of another? I love to celebrate Christmas as much as Diwali. That does not make me less of a Hindu or a pantheist (?)

I think Dr. Dyer has learned a lot from other religions and through his writings has helped us learn more about other religions. When I read stuff that he quotes from other religions, I try to find and almost always do find something similar in our religion. That only reaffirms my belief that all religions teach the same old good stuff. Wayne is very accepting of different cultures and religions. There are people of different religions who find it hard to accept him and so come out with these very negative comments.

Eykis

08-08-2004 20:44:50

There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of paths to the same source.

Ron

22-08-2004 12:11:47

I find it extremely difficult not to lower myself to the position that this reviewer has taken, and even that remark is judgmental. But I will get over it, trust me. Perhaps if the reviewer were more open to a spiritual solution for their problem, they would be more a believer.

"His original ideas attempted to teach people to live their lives without some of the self-imposed limitations all humans tend to attach to themselves, and were worthy of being called self-help."

I have read and re-read, and even re-read many times, Dyer's books. They taught me nothing but they presented to me many ideas for what I believed was improving my spiritual life. Self-help is just that - my help for me.

"This book espouses nonsensical ideas that have no basis in the reality of life on this planet. Additionally, the writing is extremely repetitive, and contradictory throughout."

This book espouse sensible thoughts having to do with my truth - my spirituality, and nothing at all to do with this planet - which is but an illusion within my mind. Repetitive writing has been around since the Bible. Repetitive writing is repeating the same thought for us in different ways so that somewhere along our path, we will get the message. If the Course in Miracles was not repetitve writing, the book would be one of the smaller paperbacks available.

"Dr. Dyer alternates beween seeing all humans as divine and then speaks of God's mercy and forgiveness. If I am divine how could there be another God who dispenses forgiveness?"

Perhaps if the writer stayed with the book a bit longer, they would have realized what Wayne is trying to convey to them. What does it mean to be divine? It means simply that we are the image and likeness of the God we believe in. It means that we alone forgive ourselves for thoughts we have held which were not thoughts of love. The forgiveness is ours to give ourselves. Many of us feel it is arrogant to say we are as God is, but it is our truth.

"He also speaks of the idea of God as just a source of power and energy available to anyone for their use while trying to blend these ideas with scientific research on quantum physics. Doesn't work for me."

This doesn't work for a lot of us. But not everything in the book is the absolute truth - it is simply a message to us individually and what we get is what we are to take. Some people have a difficult time letting go of the illusions they make.

"Dr. Dyer presents his ideas as based on the wisdom of many spiritual paths, and while I cannot speak for some of the others he definately misrepresents Christian ideas blatently. Whatever you believe about christian thought it is not represented well in this volume."

I cannot think of a more powerful prayer than that of St. Francis. It matters not that St. Francis is credited with it, what matters is the power it contains in the words written. I believe no one - no one - can say that prayer and not experience some feeling deep within them.

"..., his stated belief that "problems are illusions of the material world" lend no assistance to those afflicted by circumstances beyond their control and who are trying to find guidance through their trials."

This is not the first time Wayne has indicated this thought - many of his books contain the same idea. Problems are nothing more than a thought we are holding within our mind. So the solution is just as simple - change our thought. When first we accept all that life is presenting to us as what we have projected - assume total responsbility - then we can begin to change our world as we see it.

"His writings are basic new age thought and are not in keeping with ideas he put forth in earlier writings contrary to what he believes about himself."

Obviously this reviewer has not read many of Wayne's books. His message is practiced by him and he believes in everything he writes. It is what makes Wayne the writer he is. He writes about life as life is for him.

"If you are looking for a spiritual path I would suggest investigating ideas on your own so you know what each truely teaches. Wayne Dyer will only lead you down a rabbit trail."

We all are already on a spiritual path - different for each of us as we appear different to each other. Dyer leads us nowhere and has no intention to - what he does is present us with tools we can use on our own path - tools he uses on his own.

Namaste - Ron
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karme

26-08-2004 20:57:29

Why does everyone have to analyze everyone else's intentions? I personally have watched and read Dyer for a long time, and I find that whenever I pick up one of his books or anyone else's for that matter, I see exactly what I need to see at that moment. Sometimes it's very clear, sometimes it's not, but ultimately, if it's presented by a man or woman of peace, it soothes my soul. )

Anonymous

09-09-2004 20:16:49

I just want to say that I really enjoy this book. I was raised in a very religious home, went to church every Sunday, prayed everynight, but I never understood. I have been reading a lot of self help books lately in order to help with my depression and basically my lack of loving my life. They were helping, but this book by Mr. Dyer has really enlightened me. I enjoy looking forward now, rather than my former ways of being muddled in the past, going nowhere. Thankyou Wayne Dyer!!!! I will read all of his books.

Deanna

09-09-2004 21:32:54

If we truly understand that we create our life, there are no conditions that are beyond our control.
It is not about God forgiving us, it is about us forgiving ourselves, The God spirit loves us just as we are, because the real us is a part of God, the key word here is REAL, if you peel away the layers of life and living, like the layers of an onion, you find God, love, kindness, compassion, harmony, peace, all of the good stuff we are all made of. The person that made this comment did not understand what Wayne Dyer was saying. All printed matter like this comment is just an opinion of someone. Many people that have opinions like this person does not understand what they are reading or commenting about. We bless them with love. When they are ready to understand, they will see. Life is evolution, flowing to become more, people are all at different stages of evolution.
Deanna