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Anonymous

22-09-2004 08:16:15

Dear Dr. Dyer,

I had followed you for many years and really believed that you were the cause for the amazing changes in my life, as do many other Dr. Dyer followers. Up until two years ago, your books were my Bible, and they changed me, or so I thought. Now, no doubt, I believe that that was part of Gods plan for me, however, two years ago I became a Christian. At that time I realized that all the amazing things that had happened in my life were the work of Jesus Christ. It is my hope, for you, Dr. Dyer, that before your time on earth expires, that you will turn to Jesus, too. Imagine if you were to seek Jesus, admit you are a sinner, and accept Him into your heart as your personal Savior, how that would Glorify God and grow His kingdom; ultimately, possibly, you could turn all the folks who still follow you, to Jesus Christ. How HUGE that would be.

I want to encourage you to watch a new TV program on PAX. It's called "Faith Under Fire with Lee Strobel". Lee was an Athiest who, years ago, began extensive research to prove there is no God, no Jesus, and so on. In Lee's mission to prove there is no God, the Holy Spirit showed Lee that Jesus is alive and active and He is the ONLY way to God. As a result, Lee became a Christian, a pastor, a famous author who continues to Glorify Gods kingdom. Obviously, not quite what Lee's initial intent was.

In addtion, if you are still reading this, visit wwww.walkintheword.com. Perhaps listen to some of the free downloads. Pastor Jame MacDonald, the host of Walk In The Word, is the founding pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel, where I attend. He reminds me a lot of you, Dr. Dyer, only he is passionate about Gods word, I think you will enjoy listening to Pastor James, and I pray for you to come to Christ.

Love In Him,
Heidi S. Colonna

Anonymous

24-09-2004 08:41:21

In reflecting and praying for Dr. Dyer to come to Christ, the Holy Spirit brought something to mind that is on my heart to share. As I said, Dr. Dyer's books and speaking were a huge part of my life for many years. I, also, trusted in the "universe". Here's the question I have for anyone who reads this, what does the universe promises? Salvation? Eternal Life? That it doesn't, but Jesus Christ does.

I understand there are many people out there who were turned off by religion based on their upbringing. I was blessed with being raise nothing so I didn't really have any of those hurdles to jump. Let me assure any skeptics, Christianity is far different from religion. Christianity is when we accept Christ into our life, confess we are sinners, and turn our lives over to Jesus and live for Him, in all we do. If you searched the Bible for any other worldly religion, Lutheran, Methodist, et cetera, you won't find them. What you will find Christian, which describes those who follow Him.

Again, what does the "universe" offer? I do believe that Dr. Dyer is a step away from being a Christian. He is a very spiritual man and his writings reflect many Biblical principles. OK, I'm done.

Thanks,
HSC

Anonymous

20-11-2004 01:05:38

twin386@hotmail.com, I am very glad to read your post and may God bless you for writing it.

I have been reading and listening to many of Wayne's books and tapes too, and in fact, I still do. However, one thing is very clear which many people seldom think about. Wayne's books deal with helping people live right and motivating people to better themselves. That's great. But what happens after we leave this earth? where do our spirits go? does how i live my life and what i believe here on earth determine the destination of my soul?
Friends, "New Age" or "Spirituality" or whatever you might want to call it, only has promises for the here and now, the world that we see, and after that you are on your own! A reference is often made to the "Source". who is this "Source"? does he/she have a name/personality/intention?
Friends, "new age philosophies" are perhaps not as new as many of us think. When apostle Paul went to Athens during his missionary, they took him to the council of philosophers and this is what he told them "Men of Athens, I notice that you are very religious, for as I was walking along I saw your many altars. And one of them had this inscription on it - "To an Unknown God". You have been worshiping him without knowing who he is, and now I wish to tell you about him. He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since he is Lord of heavens and earth, he doesn't live in man-made temples, and human hands can't serve his needs - for he has no needs. He himself gives life and breath to everything, and he satisfies every need there is...His purpose in all of this was that the nations should seek after God and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him - though he is not far from any one of us. For in him we live and move and exist. The apostle Paul then went on to tell about the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and why it is important.
Friends, our being spiritual cannot save us, only Jesus Christ can do that. For Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to God except through me". This simply means that we cannot have a relationship with the "Source" (God), unless we walk the path He has paved for us towards Himself (for there are many other ways that are also paved, but they lead to "death" - eternal separation of our spirit from God).
Friends, many, if not all the principles of spirituality have their roots in the Bible. Spirituality is simply knowing about the Source/God (religion). Christianity is knowing God (relationship).

God bless

Darren Poquette

27-12-2005 20:25:38

roll I am new to the bible. Where is the new testament does Jesus say that ONLY through him can you return to God? I believe that by following Jesus's example, you can be connected to God on Earth, a.k.a. heaven. That is what Jesus was trying to convey.

If going through Jesus works for you, by all means do it. I believe you are on an excellent path. I am on my path. It includes Jesus. He is always by my side. But there are many other spriritual leaders by my side as well. Why else would God have put them here? Do you believe the Buddha was the work of the Devil?

Peace be with you,

Darren

Heidi

01-02-2006 10:14:42

Darren,

I am excited that you are "new" to the Bible. That tells me that the Holy Spirit is knocking on your door. It sounds like you are where I was for many, many years; blending new age with Christianity. I was heavy into yoga, mantra meditation, creative visualization, psychology, the Bible, and so on.

Here is the verse you were inquiring about

John 146
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

We end our prayers with, "In Jesus name we pray. Amen", because without acknowledging God's only Son, our prayers are not heard.

You are right, we are to be Christ's example. Who did Christ submit to through His ministry on earth? The Father. Being Father has given us the Savior who He promised us, we need to submit to Jesus and follow His example. In response to your question about Budda, God's Word warns us about false teachers. Where in the Bible does it say to Budda?

All who read this, it is my hope and prayer that you hear the Holy Spirit calling you to be part of God's family, which is the only way to eternity.

God bless,
Heidi

SG in TN

20-06-2006 21:39:41

Dear Heide,

I had many relatives that were christian Scientists and when I was young I attended church with them. What I learned was that God was Love and his love is greater than any force in any universe.
It is hard for me to think of this loving force only rewarding a beautiful eternal life to those who think this way and only this way. Could you turn against your child, mother, father etc. for believing differently than you do....You are indeed a loving person so I don't think you could. If God is a zillion times plus more capable of love then any of us could ever be....He would never condem any of us for seeking different ways to reach him.

I know my thoughts are the subject of many debates and living in the middle of the bible belt it would be so much easier to accept what you say but I do believe we are already perfect in the eyes of God...after all we were created in his image how could we not be perfect.
Please know that none of this was to" knock" your beliefs but to explain why it doesn't work for me and maybe others.
You are blessed to have such a strong faith and can probably bring comfort to many.
Peace, Susan

Heidi

18-07-2006 08:32:33

Dear Susan,

I appreciate your response! I believe this is an opportunity to further share my faith with you and others.

Christian Scientist and Christians are very different. Christian Scientist is a man-made religion that was created by a woman named Mary Baker Eddy. Christianity is based on the Holy Bible - the inspired Word of God. A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ and His teachings.

It was hard for me to get my arms around the fact that very few will go to heaven as Matthew 713 – 14 states The Narrow and Wide gates 13"(K)Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

As a Christian, if loved ones don’t believe in Jesus, I am called to pray for them and witness when possible, not turn against them. Here are a couple of quick testimonies of many God-stories regarding unbelievers in my life

- My husband wasn’t saved for the first several years after I became a Christian. Our marriage was not good. I was afraid of him. I was certain he was going to kill me on several occasions. I didn’t turn my back on him, I prayed for him. Believe me, it was very hard to pray for a person I felt was my enemy, but that is what God’s Word commands me to do. The Lord is so faithful. At a church service that my husband missed they announced a men’s retreat that was coming up. I told my husband about it and left it at that. I prayed fervently that if it was God’s will for my husband to go, that he’d go. Guess what? He went. Guess what? He got saved. Guess what? Three years later he is still on fire for the Lord. Leading men’s groups and co-leader of our home group/Bible study. Our marriage has gone through an amazing transformation, not by us but by the grace of God. There many stories within this story, but I will stop here so I can share a few more stories.

- A few years ago one of my daughter’s friends Mom and I really hit it off. She was Jewish. Her husband was seeking. She no longer went to the synagogue. She did attend church with her husband. She didn’t believe in Jesus, did believe in the God of the Holy Bible. The last few years our friendship has blossomed. My friend and her husband began attending our church. Honestly, I had given up hope on her because I knew for her to make the conversion meant she would be subjected to being disowned by her whole family, as that is what happens if a Jew believes in Jesus, they get disowned. I began to notice that she was singing the worship songs at church, which she had never done (usually her arms were crossed and she would just look around); one night at dinner she told me about a dream she had where she was up in front of the congregation giving her testimony; she told me that on a weekly basis she listened to a CD that was the testimony of Jewish woman who came to Christ and was disowned by her family. I could see the Holy Spirit working on her big time, but she would say, “I’ll go to church for the kids and my husband, but I will never convert . . .”! Well, little did she know that God is was working whether she wanted him to or not. A few months ago my Jewish friend called me at work, which is not unusual. She said, “I want to thank you”. I said, “For what?” She said, “I accepted Christ last night” as did her husband. This is a perfect example of how God uses us to reach other people to bring Glory to Him! Amen! Again, there are numerous other God-stories to this, but I will stop here and move on to the next story.

- My Mom has struggled with mental illness all her life. She has staged many suicide attempts, but had never caused herself harm. In her life, she spent much time on the psych ward of various hospitals. Before my Dad passed (6 years ago) he was seriously considering putting her in a home. Because of her history, many of her loved ones were fed up with her staged attempts and were pulling away from my Mom. She would voice her difficulty of her loved ones pulling away to me. I felt like a broken record that was never being heard, but continued to love her and encourage her to pray for those who were seemingly not very loving. After her last staged attempt (about three years ago) I sensed the Holy Spirit guide me to pray over Mom. I was confused, as I really didn’t think my Mom would agree, nor did I think there would be any changes. The first time I asked her if I could pray over her she was seemingly willing. After that I could see her thirst for me to pray over her. Since then, Mom is doing remarkably well. Family members who had distanced themselves have come along side her to love her. She has not had any suicide attempts or talk in over three years. She is doing remarkably well! This, no doubt, is another testimony of God at work, glorifying Himself through the work of the Helper Jesus promised us, the Holy Spirit. I have one more short story 

- In the time I was being lead to pray over my Mom I was living next door to a Korean family who were Christians. One evening I was talking to the wife and she was expressing her frustration with her mother-in-law who lived with them. Her mother-in-law had Alzheimer’s. They had witnessed to her repeatedly over the years, only for her to deny Jesus. As a result of God’s proven change in my Mom, I shared the story of my Mom and encouraged my neighbor to pray for her mother-in-law. I moved to a different home in our community and really didn’t see or talk to her any more, but our kids go to the same school. Less than a year later I was at the school for an event and I heard my name being called out. It was my old Korean neighbor. She was so excited to share with me about her mother-in-law. Apparently, her mother-in-law had fallen into a coma. My friend and her husband were by the mother-in-laws bedside the whole time she was in the coma, which was for several weeks. Out loud, they continued to pray over her, for her salvation. She came out of the coma and said that she heard them the whole time she was in the coma. She wanted to know this Jesus. Her mother-in-law accepted Christ! Praise God!

So, to your point, no, I would not turn against someone who doesn’t believe. As a Christ follower (Christian) I am commanded to pray for the unsaved.

Because of the fall in the Garden of Eden we are born of sin; we are not perfect in God’s eyes. Psalm 515 says “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.” The blood of Jesus is what washes our sin away. John 14.6 says “Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” There is ONLY one way to eternal life, and that is through the Lord Jesus Christ.

A few other pieces of Scripture that tells us that salvation is through Christ and Christ alone

Acts 410-12
“10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead--by this name this man stands here before you in good health. 11"He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 12"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

1 John 520
“20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.”

Susan, here is a short blip of my testimony. I was raised in a non-believing home. In 1987 I went through a “worldly” depression (almost to the point of hospitalization). I was in worldly counseling for years. When the depression first hit I had just started a new job. My boss witnessed to me and gave me the New Testament. He told me to just flip through it and read. He said if a passage spoke to me to highlight it, of which I did. In that time I prayed to the God of the Bible (not understanding where Jesus fit in), I taught and practiced Hatha Yoga, mantra meditation, creative visualization, and many other New Age practices. I saw huge miracles happening in my life, personally and professionally. I took the credit. I gave the credit to Dr. Dyer and other new age writers. I called God my Higher Power, the Universe, but not God. I was the creator of me. In 2002, fifteen years later the Holy Spirit showed me that it wasn’t me who was creating these miracles in my life. It wasn’t Dr. Dyer. It was the God of this universe; the creator of the world; of you and of me. Our God promised he’d send His Son as Isaiah 535 states. God’s Son is Jesus Christ. Without Him and following Him, on our judgment day, our God will turn from us.

Susan, you and all who have read this have been given the truth. It is now up to you to accept it or reject it. To accept it and to follow Jesus Christ you are promised eternal life in Heaven. To try other worldly paths to God you are choosing to reject it. To reject it means you are rejecting God’s truth and will therefore be rejected by Him of your day of judgment. May the Holy Spirit lead you to the one any only way to eternity – through Jesus Christ.

In Him,
Heidi

On_Purpose

18-07-2006 15:17:25

I sat here and reread your comments Heidi; over and over. And I debated with myself as to whether or not to comment. But that's what this forum is all about right? ) It's so interesting to peruse the stories regarding your spiritual journey. I'm sure so many more have a similar story like yours! I on the other hand spend the first 20 years of my life as a fundamentalist Christian and just now at 40, understand what that all means for me. Oh how I thank God and my mother for instilling in me a solid moral fiber! I know and do my best to practice the shining examples Jesus of Nazareth set in the New Testament. But I always remember one thing, I'm not right...you're not wrong. In terms of God living inside of each and every one of us, and we being part of his creation, we are all his children! Therefore, there is no right or wrong...there just is. Ask me if I believe in the Bible? Sure I do...but it too was written by human beings; fallible and impressionable. All religious texts for that matter were written by people; People who need to feel like they're right. I could never figure out why Christian doctrine and those like it isolate so many. They and most monotheistic religions use fear of hell and the promise of heaven as they're primary reasons for believing. For me, I believe because there is no other way. But unlike you I don't think Christians are right...I don't think Muslims are right... I don't think Jews are right... Neither do I think they're wrong. You said that spirituality only deals with the here and now... Heidi that is the furthest thing from the truth. Your God...My God... lives inside me... he is me... he guides my every move...my every thought. When this mortal coil is shed, my spirit that God created will live forever. But yes, for now, I'm living my purpose, his purpose for me, and I've never been closer to God in my life. God does not want us to fear, he wants us to love...everyone! In terms of teaching others about God... there's no better way then to live by example! That's what Jesus and so many others did before us, and they're a wonderful roadmap to follow! May you 'not' follow the path created by others; instead forge your own path and leave a trail of your own'... Dr. Dyer didn't save me either Heidi... God's love did... Enjoy your spiritual journey Heidi! I send you my love...

SG in TN

25-07-2006 21:14:59

Dear Spiritual Jedi,

AMEN TO THAT!!!!

Susan !

Heidi

31-07-2006 11:40:55

Spiritual Jedi,

I appreciate your comments. I've been in prayer as to how to reply and will continue to pray for guidance and wisdom. However, in the meantime, I know that I have provided you with the Truth to you, Susan, and everyone else who reads this string.

As I mentioned in previous strings, I was exactly where you are as far as the new age beliefs. After I started my spiritual/new age/Godly journey, my eyes saw many miracles happen in my own life. Even though the Truth was presented to me, it wasn't for many years after the Truth was presented to me that my eyes opened to the One and Only truth.

It is my hope and prayer that that is your current journey. The One and Only Truth has been presented to you. Eventually, in His timing, His truth will be crystal clear and you too will be a follower of Jesus Christ.

In Him,
Heidi

On_Purpose

03-08-2006 20:03:40

Hi Heidi! I guess we can agree to disagree. I completely understand your perspective but your labels puzzle me. You call your experience a "spiritual/new age/Godly journey". I just don't understand why society and organized religion wants everything in neat, little labeled genres. I'm very happy you're spiritually fulfilled and you find your power through Jesus of Nazareth. But the way I look at it; Jesus is God...God is Jesus... The Holy Spirit that fills me is exactly the same that fills you! God is in everything and everyone. The power of the Spirit awes, inspires and humbles me daily. God is why I live where I live and do what I do. But we have different ways at looking at things. And that's ok! ) I'm so happy God sent you to me through this string. I consider myself a better person to have 'met' you! I'd say, God Bless you...but I know he already has...

Heidi

08-08-2006 08:33:41

Spiritual Jedi,

Yes, we can agree to disagree!

A side note about the label I assigned to myself, “spiritual/new age/Godly journey”. I was raised in a non-believing home. When I went through a worldly depression (due to my own sinful thinking habits) is when God began His work in me. I call that time “spiritual/new age/Godly journey” because it was in this very “seemingly” DARK time that I began seeking spirituality, which was very foreign to me. I believe this was God’s way of getting my attention to seek Him. Because it was 17 years after my journey began that I saw the undeniable Truth, I see those 17 years as the baby steps He brought me through to eventually land where I am today – In Christ.

May your journey bring you closer and closer to the Truth. Know that there are Christ followers in Illinois who are praying for you and for all those on this list!

In Him,
Heidi

biminiII

28-08-2006 13:31:57

I have oft wondered how the message of the church fit into Dyer's schemes. Its message to me seemed to be diametrically opposite of Wayne's.

At the root of Dyer's message is trusting yourself means trusting the wisdom that created you. You are a worthy, perfect and divine being in our own right, full of light.

The church teaches that you are dirt, the scum of the earth, sinful, evil until you accept Jesus as a personal savior. Without that you don't stand a chance for eternal life but will burn in hell. Out of the heart comes all sorts of evils.

How many of us can convince ourselves that we are truly divine when we look back over life and all of the unholy stuff we've engaged in. Maybe we are in need of some kind of savior figure.

Heidi

05-09-2006 14:05:08

Thank you for your response and wisdom!

Regarding this comment, “The church teaches that you are dirt, the scum of the earth, sinful, evil until you accept Jesus as a personal savior. Without that you don't stand a chance for eternal life but will burn in hell.” I wanted to comment on this briefly, as follows

The fact that we are “scum . . .” is based on what God’s Word tells says. His Word is a mirror for us. When we read His Word it reflects His holiness and our “scum”. His Word also teaches us how to become more holy. In this lifetime, we will never achieve holiness/perfection, but by seeing our scum by being in His Word we can repent of our sins and turn from our old ways and turn and walk the path (lifestyle, thought processes, et cetera) that is pleasing to Him.

When we accept Christ as our Savior, we are still dirty, evil, and the other ugliness that comes with being a sinner/human; however, this is our hope when we accept Christ as our Savior we are still “scum”, but God no longer sees our “scum” because Christ has paid for our “scum”. When we are in Christ, when God looks at us He sees Christ’s purity; hence, He washed our sins away. What a beautiful pictures of God’s grace!

Regarding this comment, “How many of us can convince ourselves that we are truly divine when we look back over life and all of the unholy stuff we've engaged in. Maybe we are in need of some kind of savior figure.”

Amen to that. Yes, we do need a Savior, the man of Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, Dr. Dyer’s teaching and most new age teachers teach people the “sin of sins” – pride.
Links to Biblical Pride

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/self-est/key.htm

http://www.allaboutgod.com/sin-of-pride.htm

It is my hope that you will find the one an only Savior, Jesus Christ.

In Him,
Heidi