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A Critical Perspective on Wayne Dyer

Murdoch2555

17-08-2005 20:23:51

Let us consider that Mr. Dyer is a very spiritual and enlightened individual. An oracle of "source energy" that has codified his effusive wisdom into a series of books that retail somewhere in the vacinity of 25-30 dollars.

Wayne Dyer has certainly reached many people with his message of self actualization (Maslow) and reaching Source (Cost Plus World Market Lamp). My first question regarding Mr. Dyer is his lack of fecundity in regards to his work; what exactly is the river bed of Dyer's original thought? To me, it seems greatly lacking. True, the Daila Lama tends to repackage traditional Buddhist wisdom in his texts and has found a very popular market around the world. Yet it appears to me that Wayne sells himself as the worlds foremost thinker on "Self Development".

When one listens to Wayne speak, one is astounded by his use of quotation. From Emmerson to Einstein, Wayne tends to prologue all of his mystic wisdom with the ideas of other people. This would be okay if it were just used as a stepping stone, intended to develope on and expand an idea or principle...this does not seem to happen very much, and when it does they tend to exist as logical extensions of "rational" knowledge applicable to his spiritual dimensions of work. His most recent work, "The Power of Intention", the concept that one can manifest their desires through meditation that focuses on what they can have instead of negative thoughts in regard to what they lack, can be found through-out constant religious and spiritual texts through out time. Granted, Dyer does not hide this fact, and one finds it slightly frustrating, in the fact that not only does he rob ideas, he has no problem with advertising it.

Understandably, Dyer repackages many of these ideas in the same respect Teenage Christian Mission Leaders repackage christian themes in an MTV style, making it more palpable for teenagers. A balding man in a Cosby sweater on PBS is a slightly easier sell than an Eastern mystic in robes.

Another concern of mine is Dyer's use of stories both personal and universal that simply appear to be works of fiction. In particular his lenghty stories that appear on his PBS specials for the single purpose of getting some shots of women in the audience crying. One involves a young student who is very poor developing a special relationship with a teacher that helps him progress. Another involves a retarded child whose baseball fantasy is manifested through the care of other players. THe first story is surely false, as it orignated as a story in Chicken Soup for the Soul and found later popularity as an e-mail forward. The second one I have seen as an e-mail forward, though it's origin I do not know for certain.

Another concern regards his very purpose. Wayne has no problem letting the world know he is fabulously rich, even revealing he is in the top 1% income bracket in a letter to politicians on his website, which seems primary focused on his repulsion for having to pay alot of taxes.

If Wayne has access to secrets of spritual success and wisdom, why does he have siminars? What I mean by this is, why doesn't he write down everything he knows that can help people into a book, and send it to his editor?

One you've had access to the 10 secrets for success and inner peace, why on earth would you need the power of intention to manifest what you want? You now have success and inner peace if you used his last book, why is there always more wisdom to be sold for 30 dollars?

And as mentioned before, why, if Dyer truely wants to help the world, does he not simply scribe all the wisdom he can imagine into a book and pay airplanes to airdrop them into poor neighborhoods, instead of making fun of the garbage that poor people have on their lawns (Creating your life with thought, The Inner Wisdom Library).

Instead, to suppliment his wisdom, many people must pay thousands of dollars to see Wayne in person at a variety of new age spiritual events. It is not always this expensive ofcourse, but as anyone here who has been to a Dyer event knows, it is very expensive to listen to him speak.

Why is this?

Wayne is amazingly rich...why does he still feel the need to charge this money for his appearances?

Many might suggest that his PBS work is very altruistic, but infact, he is paid enourmously for those shows, and it is a wonderful advertisement for his books and all materials contained in his Enchillada packages.

On a personal note, I cannot help but noticed that Wayne appears to me to be an incredibly ego-centric man...I cannot exactly back this up with evidence, but it's simply a very strong feeling I get. To me, it's perfectly okay to be egocentric, it's just difficult to acccept this in somene who claims to have nearly transcended all of his ego ways.

Remember that Wayne also contradicts himself constantly. In the Power of Intention (I believe) he talks about a coworker who is sick with a cold, and how disgusting his snot is. 20 minutes later he tells us that we must find beauty in everything we see, even a homeless person urinating on the street (This was preempted by a story regarding the work of Victor Frankle the founder of Logotherapy, and him finding beauty in the head of a fish, which was given to him in his soup by his Nazi captors during the holocaust). Why can't he find snot beautiful?

This is simply one example I found particularly amusing.

I am not a very spiritual person, but I think it's good if people can find wisdom in Wayne Dyer.

However, it's not his wisdom.

I don't understand why he is more concerned with being rich than with making sure his message gets out to everyone.

His attitude towards the poor is to me disturbing, in the notion that poor people are slaves to their "intention" and that anyone can escape their socio-economic positions with what basically is wishful thinking. While this may be true in many cases, to dismiss the political and economic factors is to me, callous and un-"source" like, so to say.

He writes diatribes against paying taxes, but I've not seen his work urging politicians to do more to help homeless people, or, if he truely believes his work is what they need, why don't we see him going out and making sure that all disadvantaged people have his books, tapes, cds, dvds, yes, he even sells a pack of playing cards.

Finally, a woman posted a message on here that I will summarize as saying, "I am jobless, without a husband, am very shy and need money, I have been trying to manifest what i want with the power of intention, but it is not working".

This is very sad to me, I believe Dyer's "Intention" philosophy is very dangerous, as it gives hope to the hopeless in a very disingenious way. If this woman wants to change her life, she has to get out into the world and try to create a better life through action. Believing that her "thoughts" and "meditations" will manifest her life simply is a lie. If this were true, not only would everyone have Waynes book and be manifesting everything they want in their life, the economy of the world would have failed over night.

I am not one to disregard positive thinking or even "manifesting meditations" as a positive act; I do agree that our mental attitude effects us an aweful lot, but only as it relates to our actions from it. This woman was horribly frustrated because her attempts at manifesting were not working, and it makes me sad to think all of the people out there that have been duped into believing this.

The real way to manifest, is to become a self-help guru and make millions writing books of based on the works of others, and charging thousands for personal appearances.

Many of you will simply say this is "resistance" as Wayne is fond of saying to anyone who disagrees with him.

Just a critical point of view


Murdoch

onelovecandy

17-08-2005 22:27:18

I for one wish to thank you for your long thoughtful opine on all things Dyer.

Yes you have made me think...seriously...deeply...and in conclusion....

Dr. Dyer and this site in particular just might not be for you at this time in your journey. Thank goodness the door is never closed and reentry is always welcome.

Congratulations, you can cross Dyer off your list and move on to your next subject for evaluation. Hopefully you won't find yourself under such close scrutinity and JUDGEMENT any time soon.

Mamagik

17-08-2005 23:12:54

Hello and welcome, It is late where I live and I had planned on going to bed when I found your post. I enjoy Wayne's teachings, but I must admit that you brought up many good points that I hope to address
I will limit myself to just two Wayne is wealthy because people pay him
I think that people are either too lazy to find a Higher Power and build a relationship or just like the idea of being able to quote some famous person and use that person's jargon (over and over and over) I believe that if you break down most religious teaching you'd find that they are all pretty much the same, but presented in different ways to attract different people (I bet my Guardian Angel doesn't fit the description you're used to seeing) But anyway, however people are led to Peace and Love and maybe 20 years of happiness - who cares ? don't you think people feel important when they something that other people don't - like Wayne's special language
The other point is directed toward your mention of the lady on the pity pot I know that somewhere in the Power of Intention tape Wayne states that you just don't sit back and wait, you have to do something One doesn't meditate on a job and then just sit around waiting We keep doing the earthly things that everyone else does to get a job (I think)
Anyway, I'm very tired and can't focus so I'll say goodnight
Blessings, Mamagik

Murdoch2555

18-08-2005 00:24:28

Thankyou for your thoughtful response Mamagik

Onelovecandy, I'll take what you said as a positive hello, but I will say the passive aggression has been noted.

It's good that Wayne states that we must also take proactive action to acheive goals...that sounds pretty positive.

I'm curious how Waynes teachings have helped people though...to both Onelovecandy and Mamagik (and anyone else willing), would you mind explaining what benefits you've found in your life that you attribute to Waynes teachings? Also, have any of you seen Wayne live?

thankyou

"It's okay to be critical"

Murdoch

Rickr2889

18-08-2005 07:28:06

Interesting that you say it is not his wisdom, you are echoing his own words concerning what he shares. Reminds me of one of my favorite passages from the New Testament.

Who made us to differ from another? What do we have that we have not received, and if we received it why do we glory as though it were not a gift (something we earned or achieved).

wisdom is a gift and it all comes from the same source so that is where the credit belongs.

Rick

wizdumb

18-08-2005 09:47:14

DWD says

"The only difference between a flower and a weed is a judgement!"

If you give a crack addict $ 100.00, and she may use that money to buy more crack, or she may use that money to buy her kids some food. Is it really important to know what she does with that money, or is the ACT of kindness, what really matters.

(does it really matter where the message comes from, or from whom or if the message may be recycled or not, as long as the message is getting out there)

A road might end at a single house.
but it's not love's road.

Love is a river.
Drink from it.
Rumi

Rickr2889

18-08-2005 09:52:02

If you give a crack addict $ 100.00, and she may use that money to buy more crack, or she may use that money to buy her kids some food. Is it really important to know what she does with that money, or is the ACT of kindness, what really matters.

(does it really matter where the message comes from, or from whom or if the message may be recycled or not, as long as the message is getting out there)

If you are worried about what she might do with the money, and clearly you are, take her to a grocery store and pay for her groceries or to a place to buy cloths. Doing something nice for someone is simple enough if we care to take the time to think about it.

Rick

JJ Moore

18-08-2005 10:13:42

The message isn't so much about the crack addict, as it is about your level of awareness, which sometimes is not as clear as Rickr2889 states
and clearly you are, we are more consumed with the illusion.

wizdumb

18-08-2005 10:19:17

Rickr2889 writes

If you are worried about what she might do with the money, and clearly you are, take her to a grocery store and pay for her groceries or to a place to buy cloths. Doing something nice for someone is simple enough if we care to take the time to think about it.

WILL you take me there, my friend.

For I AM the addict and the observer (Rickr2889).

Thank you !

Rickr2889

18-08-2005 10:35:32

People who have only excuses for not doing good are not likely to find resolutions or the recognize them when they do.

JJ Moore

18-08-2005 10:49:20

Rickr People who have only excuses for not doing good are not likely to find resolutions or the recognize them when they do.

Question ? Is this a goodness competion !!!

Take her to your home, feed her and her children, provide shelter for her kids.

Whatever the message is ($ 100 ), it is up to the SEEker (addict) to decide what to do with it.

............ maybe not so clear, sorry.

Murdoch2555

18-08-2005 15:07:06

Yes, I even saw that his PBS taped event in San Fransisco is only going for 20 dollars...sometimes you certainly can see Wayne very cheap.

But the idea that his "wisdom" is reserved for elite people that can have to pay 500+ to see him, is to me, indicitive of his true motivations.

Chopra, Tony Robbins and Weil (beard guy) all charge incredible prices...

I think it's just about the money. Actually it really inspires me to write a book about self help.

You ever watch those late night informercials for "No Money Down!" home programs, make millions over night? Ofcourse these guys are preying on the desperate and it's disgusting...yet sometimes I think I should start up a no money down program and try to get on tv, write a book, make some tapes.

Don't buy what these guys are selling you if you want to increase ABUNDANCE...do what they do, it's really not that hard.

All you need is a catchphrase, a catchy subtitle, and some bogus "motivation" stories from your own life and the lives of others.

Think about it, we could all blow Wayne out of the water if put our minds together.


Murdoch

"half joking, half serious"

majelmarly

18-08-2005 19:32:54

I agree with you on many things you advance. Your argumentation is most right about taxes. I was really appaled, some years ago, when I read this letter of Wayne's criticizing the IRS... It did not only appeared egoistic, it sounds of a man wanting to ignore socio-political context and wanting to sell the American Ideology of Where There's A Will, There's A Way; which is totally false and idealistic and laughing full-face at people...

But on another level, which does not pertain to the world of the day-to-day life, I can recognize that the messages Wayne is bringing to us is highly valid, in the sense that it is a symbolist message and it can be adapted to many situations and many people. What is somekind dangerous is people taking Wayne at the first level, word for word.

Wayne is not a Buddha. He teaches many things buddhist, hinduist, even christian... but God and himself know that he's far from enlightenment!!

I take the good of him. His generosity is with the spiritual. Most people who detain the knowledges he possesses keep for themselves or share only with the richs. Wayne is not like that. He simplify and bring to reality what is very difficult to understand, to attain. He even makes it simple, easy-going

What I disagree with him is not important. What he brings me is far more greater because I gain confidence (in myself and in life) and the discovery that I have in myself the capacity to be happy, to live, to do, to act, even to love (one day...) I can even say that I'm no more afraid (almost...)

onelovecandy

18-08-2005 20:36:38

IF YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO LIKE ME PASS ME BY....

What about that idea. If you feel like all of these people are nothing but money grubbing opportunist, again the message is not for you.
I will say this....those of us who need perfection in our so called leaders are the reason why Mary had to have a "virgin" birth. To have a perfect Leader..he had to come from perfection. Well good for you all. My message comes from anywhere and everywhere not to mention anyone.

I don't have to like the messenger. I don't care about the messenger. Some people buy shoes for $5 some for $500, we each find the value in different things.

Are you really interested in what Dyers teachings mean to me. I honestly find that hard to believe. You may have the purest intentions for there are some people to be leary of in this world but each man will find out for themselves. I can never be the one to decide with is wrong for another. Never.

But in a nutshell I will say this. Especially for one who was raised a "Christian" and believed in condemnation and punishment and evil and the devil, Dyer (as well as others) have given me back my power. After years of depression I now have the tools to cope. (Tools my religious friends seem not to posses) I have learnt to think outside the box, not to be judgemental and this has meant great freedom to me.

So if tearing down or critizing helps to achieve your goal more power to you. As for me, IF I DON'T HAPPEN TO LIKE YOU...I CAN JUST PASS YOU BY. And wish you well.

Murdoch2555

19-08-2005 02:56:15

MajelMarly,

I absolutely agree with your position, it is very dangerous when people take him in a very literal sense (with most scriptural type things I suppose). In my first post, I alluded that I believed that "positive thinking", even meditation can really be helpful. But it's the position that you can use these tools alone to "create abundance" that scares me.

Onelovecandy- I'm not trying to get power out of tearing down Wayne Dyer, actually I think alot of people on here have challenged what I've said in really warm and intelligent ways and I really agree with them. I am genuinly curious to know how Wayne's work has helped peoples lives. I'm not a christian, and criticize christianity in alot of ways, but it's wonderful to see aspects of religion that have helped peoples lives, and I'm curious in what ways.

You don't have to like me, I have no ill feelings towards you though- I understand it can be hard to hear critical things about someone that you admire, and no man is one dimensional, I'm not trying to paint Dyer as Good or Evil....I'm just trying to develope a more realistic view of Wayne.

He's not god and doesn't have to live up to such standards. To simply say what many others have said on here, (and this can be applied to just about anyone in the New Age Lecture circuit) the prices these guys charge go against every tenet of "faith" they espouse and push.

Furthermore, things need to be looked at and examined.

I think Wayne Dyer is disingenious, I think he needs to look at himself and how he treats the homeless, the disinfranchised and poor. I think he should walk the walk and make efforts to get his work out to peopel for free. I think he should have free seminars or atleast non-profit seminars where the charge to enter simply helps cover the cost of operation.

And in another sense, i do worry that he's tricking people into spending alot of money for awhole lot of nothing, but I can't do anything about that. I can't really do anything about any of this, I just think it's an important conversation to have whether people agree with me or disagree.

I realize I'm not preaching to the choir, and if i wanted to have everyone agree with me I would have started some critical Wayne Dyer website, but I didn't, you guys know Wayne Dyer and his message better than anybody, so it's really interesting to hear what you all have to say.

And I don't care to pass you by OneloveCandy, I certainly wish you well, it's good that you're passionate about how you feel. And it is good that Dyer's message help bring you out of depression and guilt.

Murdoch

jpatsy

19-08-2005 15:58:01

I had to join this site and remove myself from lurking status in order to respond to this. My first thought was to try to respond as Wayne would suggest..."My that is an interesting viewpoint. I've never thought of it that way before. How did you come about those ideas?" Unfortunately, I have miles to go before I've remotely cured my ego's need to respond differently. Then again, I also remember him saying how wonderful it is to defend those that aren't present to defend themselves, so here goes...

Once a week on Hayhouseradio.com, Wayne has an hour long show where you can listen and call in to speak with him directly. There is no charge to listen to these programs and the past ones are even archived and you can go back and access any of them at any time for free. His regular speaking engagements are reasonably priced...$20-60. You can watch those programs on PBS for free, as well. The "outrageously" priced seminars are usually held at luxury resorts. This is catering to a certain audience that wants to combine learning from Dr. Dyer with spa treatments and horseback riding-type activities. Just to stay at one of those places is thousands of dollars, so it's not like you are paying all that money to Wayne himself. Finally, the "secrets" that you learn at those retreats are not kept guarded away for the rich. There are recordings made of every moment of those lectures and sold to the public. An 8 CD set for $50 or so is very reasonable, in my opinion. You can find them even less on Ebay.

I have faith that you are sincere in wanting to know how he has helped people specifically. I cannot say enough for his impact on my life. Were it not for people like him, Marianne Williamson, and Neale Donald Walsch I would be a spiritual wasteland. Mr. Walsch provided me with a spirituality rather than a religion... a way to finally be able to believe in SOMETHING that made sense to me. While Dr. Dyer has given me so many tools to use that "knowing" to better myself and my relationships. Just listening to his voice is soothing... and I love the way he quotes others. It's as if he is willing to give away all the credit for his wisdom, and that is so refreshing to me. I don't have a problem with people continuing to repackage the same information... keep repackaging it until everyone gets it. Then the world will be a better place. Eventually, someone comes along and presents it in a way that you can relate to.

I don't begrudge Dr. Dyer or any wealthy person what they have. I am happy for them.

If you are truly interested in how Dr. Dyer has helped others... there is a section of this wonderful website that has open letters to Dr. Dyer where people write about the impact he has had. (But by the way, unless someone around him is printing them off, he is not reading them as he has stated numerous times he is completely computer illiterate.)

Wishing you peace and love and the answers to all your questions and doubts,

Jennifer

lifeauthentik

21-08-2005 10:36:10

Don’t shoot the messenger

Fortunately, at the end of the day life is not about Wayne Dyer and your perspective of him and the world. It is about your relationship with yourself and if you love the life you lead. Change the way you see things and the things you see will change.

Not a bad message 

All the best
Dan )

majelmarly

22-08-2005 18:53:22

I don't begrudge Dr. Dyer or any wealthy person what they have. I am happy for them.

First, I want to repeat that I greatly appreciate the work of Wayne Dyer and his capacity to help any people. He did help me.

Nevertheless, I think people answering in that sense (this sort of comment implying that we don't have to judge or criticize at all) are missing the point we wanted to make in criticizing Dr Wayne Dyer. The fact is that Dr Dyer ignore totally the socio-economical context of life. All he said is strictly for the individuals -as if we were living in an eggshell; without work, family, money, mortgage, car, divorce, boss, medias, etc.
The kind of comments I see in regard to the points Murdoch and I were making proves that most people are taking Wayne's word at the first degree, literaly...
Take it as you want, people, but let others free to get some opinions and to voice it!
You can disagree, but don't be so blunt and single-minded!

onelovecandy

22-08-2005 23:38:23

Ok, so the site we are on is called Wayne Dyer Inspires You.

And being so inspired, you still find it necessary to judge.
Like I keep saying all over this website. If you aren't getting the message, or happy with the messenger then surely its not for you. That's ok. I go on many sites and realize they are not for me. So I just leave.

Stay in the light my friends.

majelmarly

23-08-2005 19:01:34

If you aren't getting the message, or happy with the messenger then surely its not for you. That's ok. I go on many sites and realize they are not for me. So I just leave.


We never said -or meant to said- such thing as we were not happy or satisfied with the message!!

YOU MISINTERPRET and understand nothing and I'm fed up with all your comment de bornée et ignare
Dr Dyer is able to defend himself and he has nothing to defend yet.
It's you! You understand nothing

onelovecandy

23-08-2005 20:38:55

[/quote Nevertheless, I think people answering in that sense (this sort of comment implying that we don't have to judge or criticize at all) are missing the point we wanted to make in criticizing Dr Wayne Dyer. The fact is that Dr Dyer ignore totally the socio-economical context of life. All he said is strictly for the individuals -as if we were living in an eggshell; without work, family, money, mortgage, car, divorce, boss, medias, etc.
The kind of comments I see in regard to the points Murdoch and I were making proves that most people are taking Wayne's word at the first degree, literaly...
Take it as you want, people, but let others free to get some opinions and to voice it!
You can disagree, but don't be so blunt and single-minded![/quote


You are correct I really don't understand. You have commented on this site some 20 times with a high degree of negativity and have been many times censured I might add. Trying letting go and letting God and the Universe decide all things. Thats all I am saying.

Stay in the light.

wizdumb

24-08-2005 12:31:56

Buddha was seated alone one day, and later, some men gathered around him. one among them who did not like his teachings and the effect it had on the people got up and started a tirade in very vulgar terms against him. Buddha sat smiling listening to all that calumny, without a single gesture of disapproval. The man got frothy in the mouth through rage, his vocabulary was fast getting exhausted, his tongue began to show signs of overwork, but, Buddha only asked him with a smile, "Brother, have you finished?" The man said, "You have no sense of shame; you do not show any trace of resentment." Then Buddha said "If a kinsman comes to your door from a far distant place, and when you see him, if you so much as say, Hallo, he will enter in, deposit his things in the house, and stay on as your guest; but if you do not notice him, if you ignore his arrival, he will return along the road that brought him and you are rid of him, isn't it? So, too I shall take no notice of this tirade; let it go the way it came". Praise and blame are but twists of verbiage, the magic words in the clever hands of flatterers or traducers. Treat both with a grand indifference; then, your real worth becomes patent.

By not getting excited over the angry words of a critic, one becomes superior to the critic. Otherwise one descends to the same level as the critic. Bear no ill-will towards anyone. That is the golden rule indicated by the Gita. Buddha carried on his mission in this spirit of equanimity and tolerance.

onelovecandy

24-08-2005 22:08:30

Thank you. I do appreciate the lesson. It seems I also have forgotten rule
#6

wizdumb

25-08-2005 07:26:06

Dear friends,

Rule # 6 is

Don't take yourself so damn serious !

Love ya !

Gwynne

25-08-2005 15:01:43

Hi Murdoch,

Received email from Chris Knight today to inform me of the new archive format of the forum. Clicked on the link in his email and was surprised to see that someone had taken so much time to write negatively about Wayne Dyer. But, after all, we do have freedom of speech and I'm all for that.

Began reading Dyer's books in the early eighties... Your Erroneous Zones, Pulling Your Own Strings, etc. Thought he had a lot of good ideas, but would be a pain live with.

Then I stumbled upon what was probably his first recorded talk by Nightingale-Conant. It was one cassette tape in a set of "Success Insight" tapes. I could tell by listening to his voice that he was much more compassionate and loving than I had given him credit for.

Whenever I learned he had a new book soon to be released I would call the local bookstore to see if it had arrived. I have all of his books (to my knowledge), even the old version of "Happy Holidays."

Had had a strong desire to see him in person for many years. A cousin went to a business convention in Chicago and came home to tell me that Wayne had been one of the featured speakers and how much she enjoyed his talk.

In April 1997 a girlfriend and I were touring the West Coast and happened to be in San Diego. I picked up a pamphlet with Deepak Chopra's photo on the front, opened it up only to learn that Wayne had given a talk in San Diego the previous day. Knowing of my strong desire to see Wayne in person, my friend said "that's a real bummer to come that close, but miss him." The old me (before being influenced by Wayne's work) would have been very upset. However, the person I was at that time said "No need to worry. I KNOW I'll see him someday." I never gave it another thought.

In September of 1997 I was sitting on the front row of a seminar he conducted in Raleigh, NC, got a hug and had him autograph my copy of his book. I enjoyed his seminar very much.

Met my current husband online in November 1997. I had a personal ad online that said I was a fan of Wayne Dyer. He wrote to me and said he was a Wayne Dyer fan also and had listened to a lot of his older Nightingale-Conant tapes... got my attention. He wrote me an email and said that Wayne told a story about one of his mother's friends who couldn't merge into traffic, did I remember her name. I wrote back and said "Yes, of course. Her name was Rose." We both knew at that point we were both well acquainted with his work.

Married this man in July 1999. In September of that year Wayne was in Greensboro, NC. We went to see him. At a break I told Wayne the story in the previous paragraph and he had me come up on stage with him and tell my story.

Had a conversation with his assistant, Myah, there in Greensboro and we both agreed that unlike most best selling authors, he is a better speaker than author.

I'm 56 years old and spent more than half my life chronically depressed. Those times are vague memories for me now. No one will ever know the peace I found in listening to Wayne Dyer's tapes. I was raised in a Christian family and I attended lots of different churches, read lots of books on spirituality, but Wayne reached me in a way no one else had been able to do.

There are only so many musical notes, but they can be combined to create vastly different pieces of music that resonate differently with different people. There aren't many new words that come into being and not many new thoughts to be had. However, Wayne Dyer's presentation of the age old philosophies are as good as it gets, in my humble opinion.

I have been a subscriber of the Abraham-Hicks weekly tapes/CD's for several years now. Noticed another thread in this forum dealing with the forward he wrote for their latest book "Ask and It Is Given.' In 2004, on a recording made in Buffalo, NY, Wayne Dyer's beautiful, mellow voice can be heard asking a question. It was ironic that the person to ask a question of Abraham prior to Wayne had asked how to achieve fame and fortune. When he began, he stated that he had already achieved fame and fortune and now wanted to know what the most important thing he could do to make the world a better place for others.

Now, Wayne Dyer talks about his life taking a more spiritual direction and that some people were traveling down the freeway with him, but missed the exit ramp when he went off on a spiritual quest. My husband happens to be one of those people. So, if you're not a spiritual person, you may feel as he does--that the work done by Esther and Jerry Hicks is a scam. Again, he's absolutely free to believe anything he so desires.

Wayne Dyer came from a background of being in and out of foster homes for most of his life and starting out in life with no money. To see what he has accomplished, personally, professionally and monetarily causes me to believe "ask and it is given" is possible for everyone of us. Jerry Hicks came from a poor, abusive family in Alabama and now he and Esther travel the US in a customized Prevost motor home costing more than a cool million. I think it's wonderful they have figured out how to attract whatever they desire into their lives.

I have been in sales and the old story goes that 20% of the salesmen make 80% of all sales. Goes hand-in-hand with the old saying that 80% of the wealth belongs to 20% of the people and that if you were to take all the money available today and divide it equally among all the people alive, it would only take a matter of a few years for the money to be redistributed the way it was to begin with. This is because money is only a form of energy exchange that is managed by a mindset.

I have read the letter on Wayne's website about his dislike for taxes. I believe it has been removed, but am not certain of this. I do know for a certainty that he would not write that letter today, because he has a better understanding of the truth that whatever you give your attention to expands.

I have used Wayne Dyer's and Abraham's teachings to attract many wonderful things into my life and I thank the powers that be for the work they do and for bringing me into contact with them.

I wish you the joy and peace (regardless of how or where you find it) that I now have in my life. There is no "one right path" for everyone.

Namaste,

jpatsy

28-08-2005 11:12:08

There are only so many musical notes, but they can be combined to create vastly different pieces of music that resonate differently with different people.

Gwynne, that is a nice way to put it.

Where is Spencer, WV? My husband's family is from Clarksburg.

-Jennifer

Gwynne

28-08-2005 17:37:23

Hi Jennifer,

By the way the crow flies I'm about 30 miles north of Charleston, almost midway between I-77 and I-79, however to drive there it's 60 miles. My husband is originally from Fairmont, so I'm familiar with Clarksburg.

Namaste

Jofus

21-09-2005 17:33:14

Well I agree with a lot of the points murdoch raised. I mean Dyer, Chopra, people who seem in many ways keen to tell us how important it is to be kind etc, lend a hand to our fellow man, etc.

And then to rule out a whole class of people from attending their lectures, is not in keeping with what they promote. After all is a single mother on support going to be in a position to attend a lecture ? I think not.

I personally enjoy most of what ive heard by Dr Dyer and find it useful and enjoyable.

My own view is that we can achieve many of our goals in life with a combination of belief and applying ourselves.

Jofus