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love and dishonesty: yin and yang

Anonymous

06-10-2004 18:55:24

I really like the dialogue here. Seems very intelligent and (for the most part) respectful. I enjoy the new age philosophies of Dr. Wayne Dyer and others that try to get people in touch with the love energy of the universe. Although I don't see it as new age since Buddha, Krishna, and countless others, including Jesus have been teaching these lessons for quite a while now.

The reason I'm posting this as a reply on this board is that I just noticed Wayne is coming to speak in my town next month, and I though me and my girlfriend could go see him. But it would cost $400 each.

In his description of people who are in touch with the power of intention, Dyer says that these people are so generous that you wonder how they could ever accumulate anything, yet they have so much. With $400 a head for a couple hours of giving the same spech, to help people, it's not a wonder that he has so much "abundance". After making the first $10 million, I would think that an altruistic visionary might be able to spread his message for free.

Don't get me wrong, I think there is so much beauty and potential for love and joy in the world. I just can't help noticing that the some things don't change througout time, and the same obstacles to the realization of this potential keep popping up ? wink

chris knight

06-10-2004 21:35:24

I really like the dialogue here. Seems very intelligent and (for the most part) respectful.

Thanks! If it ever becomes disrespectful, I step in as moderator and remove or change permission levels so it stays civil.

In his description of people who are in touch with the power of intention, Dyer says that these people are so generous that you wonder how they could ever accumulate anything, yet they have so much. With $400 a head for a couple hours of giving the same spech, to help people, it's not a wonder that he has so much "abundance". After making the first $10 million, I would think that an altruistic visionary might be able to spread his message for free.

I don't slight or fault Dyer from charging as much as he can get. He is a business man after all.

Consider this The amount of money you make is in direct proportion to the amount of value you create. Therefore, Dyer attracts abundance because he continues to deliver value for others. Money is a measuring stick for how much economic value has been delivered to others.

Just my $7 of thoughts that you can have for free. ;-)

Lastly, I see NO dishonesty in his wanting to charge more for his time. Do you really see dishonesty in that?

Anonymous

08-10-2004 14:02:12

While it is not outright dishonesty, it definately does have an aire of contradiction.

I believe in the message Wayne Dyer offers. I don't believe anything that happens in his personal life detracts from it. His divorce does not take away from it at all. But...

Someone who has made themselves extremely wealthy, preaching a divinely received message of love, generosity, seeing beauty in all walks of life, and transcending the petty desires of the ego, should be able to speak to everyone(one would hope), even to poor people, by speading his word freely to all, at venues that don't require absorbitant fees for entrance.

Dr. Dyer has enough money streaming in, that if he was truly different, and personified his message, he would not be catering to only the wealthy, in an upscale resort area of town. Saying he is a "businessman" does not justify anything. I have a business degree, but I'm now studying medicine instead(which explains why I can't pay $800 for 2 tickets to see Wayne speak). I heard too many unpleasant things justified by economic logic during my education to be able to enter that world.

When I was younger I worked at the Ritz-Carlton, where rich people paid $300 per night to stay in a small room in a Hotel which realistically offered very little more than a Holliday Inn. Rich people stayed there because of the prohibitive cost. They like to be with other rich people, and exclude the less fortunate masses. This situation is the same.

I'm not being harshly critical of Wayne Dyer's mesage, or his life, I'm just disappointed that I won't be able to afford to see him until a few years after med-shool.

Anonymous

09-10-2004 14:41:59

In response to Chris Knight and content/guest.
Although you are saying somewhat different things, I am sure you are both absolutely correct. Both points of view are correct and part of the truth, and both are absolutely wrong, as truth does not likely exist in a form we can know, or even should, or need to know.

Chris Knight is a loyal defender of WD. This is correct. I have not yet posted a reply here, though I have enjoyed the conversations. He is the reason we are all brought together. He is a supplement to the message of WD. If we have doubts or questions that we cannot adress directly to WD, he remedies them by giving us his interpretation WD's teachings. He helps put people back on to the path of intention, if they are willing. This is good. We are grateful.

content/guest is also correct, and the reason I am posting here, at last, is because I don't think it is a coincidence that he probably lives near me. He says that WD is coming to his town next month, and it will cost four hundred dollars to see him. WD will be in Scottsdale, AZ next month, and a weekend seminar dedicated to enjoying life. There are several speakers and WD is the last one, on the last day. The only way to see him is to pay for the entire seminar.

This is discouraging to content/guest because he may have had a picture in his mind of WD as a somewhat saintly teacher who has a mission to spread his message to as many people as possible. I can see how this would happen. Wayne speaks of extreme generosity, humility, and his desire to spread the message from his "sudden awakening." He talks of being detached from accumulating and hoarding. He uses examples of other great teachers in his work Ghandi, Lord Krishna, Buddha, Lord Jesus Christ, Mother Theresa, and other saintly teachers. How much did Ghandi charge for his presence? Rr Jesus, or MT, or the others? This may have been the expectation. WD does use himself as an example at times. He speaks about how the universal spirit of intention acts through him. And even though you may get the impression otherwise, he does not claim to have achieved such a high energy level as the sages. Although he rarely includes examples of himself becoming detached from intention, he merely claims that the power of intention has had a profound impact on his life, and he wants others to be aware of the same power.

I don't beliieve that "economic arguments" are all aligned with the spirit of intention. Like content/guest I have also had a problem with the argument that the money someone or some product is able to draw is equal to its value added. Is the life of a billionaire more valuable than those of a hundred thousand families at the poverty level? Maybe so. If a phamaceutical companies are able to manipulate the government to give a monopolly to a new drug, and almost require physicians to prescribe it, and then use marketing to manipulate public fear, are the millions they profit from this equal to the value they add? This is what happens. From flu vaccines, to psychiatric drugs, they make alot of money. I don't believe they add proportional value. It is my interpretation that WD would not agree either, as he speaks against this directly.

I would be nice if WD were able to travel and speak to the multitudes without further financial gain. Maybe even go sor far as to give away everything he has. Intention would take care of him. And people would be greatly inpired. But being discouraged that he does not do this, detaches you from intention. See him as a messenger, not a sage. Once you let go of any resistance, the beauty will flow through you. I admit, that I have not reached as high an energy level as I would like to, yet. But I intend to.

You are both right, and I thank you. BJ, guests, quaking mess--I thank you all.

chris knight

09-10-2004 15:04:42

Chris Knight is a loyal defender of WD. This is correct. I have not yet posted a reply here, though I have enjoyed the conversations. He is the reason we are all brought together. He is a supplement to the message of WD. If we have doubts or questions that we cannot address directly to WD, he remedies them by giving us his interpretation WD's teachings. He helps put people back on to the path of intention, if they are willing. This is good. We are grateful.

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gypsyjaye

10-10-2004 20:52:49

You know, I sometimes think that we humans just love to make things black and white and that's it. Here's the info on the web, the cost and how to see Dyer and I can't afford it. Well, how bad do you want to go? You see, you can ask the Universe for divine guidance and perhaps do a little footwork and wahoo, it just may work out. (At least, that is how it works for me!)
Have you tried to contact the place where this conference will be held? Have you asked if perhaps you could be an usher for others in exchange for hearing Dyer speak? Or maybe, sit at the register table or help the disabled and/or elderly into their seats or.....or....or....
Have you thought to contact the people in charge of the seminar and explain that you cannot afford to go to the entire thing, but would like to be able to be included in Dyer's time and what would be the necessary steps to have that happen?

Sometimes, we have to help expand our own horizons.
Just a few thoughts.....
Namaste ~
Jaye

chris knight

11-10-2004 06:07:49

Have you tried to contact the place where this conference will be held? Have you asked if perhaps you could be an usher for others in exchange for hearing Dyer speak? Or maybe, sit at the register table or help the disabled and/or elderly into their seats or...

Jaye,

Excellent post! You described exactly what I did when I was 21 years old and didn't have the money to go to a Tony Robbins Firewalk experience in Chicago.

I volunteered to be on his fireteam (the guys who stoke the coals for the firewalk component to his Unlimited Power weekend thing). It saved me the $350 fee he was charging at the time and I had a blast... FOR FREE.

As Robbins would say, "There is always a way if you are committed!"

D

Anonymous

13-10-2004 18:34:53

I'll bet that if you were to contact the people in charge and tell them you can't afford the seminar but would very much like to see him speak, that they would work out a lower price for you.

Anonymous

20-10-2004 10:21:26

How interesting for me to come across this posting, especially since I'll be seeing our buddy Wayne in the coming weeks.

fyi, I purchased two tickets, VIP seating (first 8 rows) for his Power of Intention tour, for less than $130 USD...

yes my friends, there are truly deals to be had....



D

Deanna

20-10-2004 19:53:37

A couple of years ago I saw Wayne Dyer in person in Wichita Kansas for $35.00, he was the only speaker...very reasonable! The place was packed and I hope he made a lot of money!
Deanna

Anonymous

27-10-2004 17:56:26

You know, I sometimes think that we humans just love to make things black and white and that's it. Here's the info on the web, the cost and how to see Dyer and I can't afford it. Well, how bad do you want to go? You see, you can ask the Universe for divine guidance and perhaps do a little footwork and wahoo, it just may work out. (At least, that is how it works for me!)
Have you tried to contact the place where this conference will be held? Have you asked if perhaps you could be an usher for others in exchange for hearing Dyer speak? Or maybe, sit at the register table or help the disabled and/or elderly into their seats or.....or....or....
Have you thought to contact the people in charge of the seminar and explain that you cannot afford to go to the entire thing, but would like to be able to be included in Dyer's time and what would be the necessary steps to have that happen?

Sometimes, we have to help expand our own horizons.
Just a few thoughts.....
Namaste ~
Jaye


I couldn't agree more - VERY well said....