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Open Letter to Anti-Wayne Dyer People

chris knight

25-08-2004 10:33:07

If we step back and remove all of the religious references, what you have left is this fact

Dr. Wayne Dyer is a businessman.

He makes his living by writing books and doing seminars.

No different than you or I might make our living by giving of our talents in whatever niche or industry we may be aligned with.

He makes more money if he sells more books, as would you or I. He puts his face on the cover of most books in order to have a connection with his readers. I would do the same.

If Wayne Dyer doesn't "do it" for you, then move on. 8)

For those that feel the need to attack Wayne or his writings, know that you are saying more about who you are than who Wayne is by your attacks.

I'm all up for healthy debate about the facts, but I don't care to read all kinds of arguments that are chucked full of fallacies in logic. To read the list of the 26 major fallacies committed in arguments, surf over to here http://academic.engr.arizona.edu/HWR/seminar/fallacies.html

Anonymous

25-08-2004 17:32:45

i am pro-life...pro-truth...and that is only in the Bible...don't focus on the Christians but at Christ...instead of picking and choosing your own version of truth...read the Bible and read the KEY MESSAGE that states that you can only be saved through your personal Lord and Savior Jesus Christ...however, you think you deny that power and believe more in yourself and this open sounding new age theory because it's sounds so amazing in "theory"...but that is exactly what Satan wants you to believe...and it won't be a surprise to me when you guys reach your destiny of Hell if you continue living this experience...

Unless you are truly born again, you are not filled with the Holy Spirit...and you are simply relying on your own sense of pride and own knowledge...trusting only yourself and others who trust themselves more than others...wow...i'm sure this site is for discussion so we should all have a say even on this board...why don't you simply have an opened mind to it? Realize it's Satan who's speaking through you...

and one other question, how come Wayne Dyer doesn't talk anything about satanism as being a productive religion? Isn't the new age philosophy about there being only love and everything is good? What about terrorism and killing in this world? The world here on earth is meant to be evil for every human being has wicked thoughts and evil inside of him/her yet you try to intellectually rationalize by denying evil in your life...it's understandable because we all don't want to deal with the facts in reality...your reality is the same as mine...you are nothing...i am nothing yet i am saved by Christ...you must know and SEEK more than simply choosing your own version of truth...

WD is trapped from his own sense of ego...after having done the new age teachings for years and years, he's more trapped than a lot of others...destined to hell...unless he repents and truly understand what Christ's true message was instead of picking and choosing what he wants to make it...stop picking and choosing...before you were born, there was more...in fact, wd must be deamon possessed honestly...connecting with a picture of his face? give me a break...it's his ego doing the work and wanting to be recognized...that inner child yet childish selfishness of his who wants to attain God-status like the serpent deceptively lied to eve...when you think you are improving your "consciousness," realize that Satan hates you...have you ever met satanists who also promote new age works? i have...in darkness, i realized light in only through Christ...where did the word satan come from? From the Bible...

the truth is the narrow way...because on earth, it is easy to get lost in the wide distractions...yet if you continue to seek truth and only the truth, you will one day come to realize it is only through Christ that you will be saved from eternal punishment...

love in Christ,

BJ

Anonymous

25-08-2004 19:13:51

Hey Chris,

My name is Bryon and I agree with your statements. If I were a writer and earned more money by creating more books - I think the answer is obvious. Wayne doesn't speak out against the Bible nor does he speak much of it - at least from the works of his that I'm familiar with.

I realize that BJ is upset and blames his failures for not advancing on this 'New Age' idea. I don't know a graceful way to explain to BJ that when he states that "he was once like us" and has invested over 3 years of his life and failed at this.... he is not like me. I've invested over 20 years and the only failures I recognize are those I failed to do anything about.

"...For those that feel the need to attack Wayne or his writings, know that you are saying more about who you are than who Wayne is by your attacks..."

That was well said - and very obvious to most of us except to whom the message was intended.

--- BJ ---
You appear to others
1) disappointed and blame Wayne for your failures.
2) arrogant [self-important] in thinking YOU knows whats best for us without regard to our rights of relegion(s) or freedoms thereof.
3) You are obsessed with some idea that the view of the world should be some Utopia from Aldex Huxley's "Brave New World" where everyone is drugged/addicted to soma and everything is great and wonderful!

To carry such a view is foolish and wasteful - why would I even want such a one-sided pathetic view - baggage I don't need. What helps is to carry an accurate view of the world with all it's aspects. You further judge this silly view you created as good or bad because you are a person in need of making judgements - you are judgemental!

You asked this question
"...and one other question, how come Wayne Dyer doesn't talk anything about satanism as being a productive religion?"
Perhaps for the same reason your Sunday School Teacher doesn't.

I think your a bitter person BJ and your 'venting' shows this very clearly to me. I don't hate you.... I have long since given up on the desire to hate - eventhough you hate us. You are not the reason for my failures - I take responsibility for me and all that happens to me - eventhough you blame us for your shortcomings. I don't tell you what you should or shouldn't believe - eventhough you think it is your [arrogant] place to tell us what to believe.

I don't usually write with a harsh tone of voice but, you need to see what you are telling others about yourself! When you say those things about Wayne - you are showing us your view of the world and it is arrogant, judgemental and inaccurate - at best.

I wish you well....

Anonymous

12-09-2004 15:58:59

First let me say that the other posts by Chris and Bryon were right on but I had to add just one other thing.

BJ, you are so aggressive in your "Christianity" but you seem to have missed one passage of the Bible. "Judge not lest ye be judged." The following quote by you is extremely judgmental "WD is trapped from his own sense of ego...after having done the new age teachings for years and years, he's more trapped than a lot of others...destined to hell...unless he repents and truly understand what Christ's true message was instead of picking and choosing what he wants to make it...stop picking and choosing...before you were born, there was more...in fact, wd must be deamon possessed honestly...connecting with a picture of his face?" Who are you to make these statements? Moreover who are you to say to anyone that they are destined to hell. Seems to me like you are living your own hell which is the cause of your anger.

I grew up in organized religion and I am not opposed to it but one thing rings true when Wayne Dyer says that it is exclusionary. Your post BJ makes that very clear. It's a your either with us or against us mentality. So sad! Isn't there room for everyone at God's table? Isn't that what Jesus himself taught?

Anonymous

13-09-2004 20:53:33

Hi ac,

I'm wasn't easy for me to find it necessary to say those things to BJ. I'd welcome him back just as well. The only time one is defeated is when you stop trying - he is rationalizing his stopping of trying to say he's found something.... enough of that.

The aspect of mainstream relegion was explained to me in this manner, it went something like this

"...beliefs are much like the scaffolding of a building as it is being erected. It gives support in areas where currently there was none. The workers use the scaffolding to help or aid in constructing walls/foundation. Sometimes, people get side tracked and don't complete the building, they are content to live out thier lives on the scaffolding never completing the building they sought to make. Some of us - much fewer - complete the building, leave the scaffolding [leave mainstream relegions] and move in to the building we've built."

There was a time when I too followed that same path BJ leads - or one like it. I have moved on in my spiritual growth and no longer feel the need to belong in the congregations of relegious beliefs such as those. It demands more of me than the church ever did - that's my choice... I am accountable and responsible for me. I own what happens to me and how I feel and react to others. Sometimes, I do come across as harsh. Sometimes, it's time to wake up and smell the coffee too...

Have a nice evening.

Des

19-10-2004 19:31:31

Chris, I like your sense of fairness. I would support also your exercising some moderator's licence in minimising the rant factor on this forum. I do think there is something to be said for the tone of the forum to be as peaceful and loving as the experience of reading a Wayne Dyer book or listening to a tape or CD of his. But then I'm a newbie.
The phrase of Wayne Dyer's that comes to my mind when I read through this thread is "You must give up the right to be right". From what I know of all the great mystics and spiritual teachers, they were not dogmatic. Some of their followers - now there's a different story.
Namaste - or Peace! if you prefer.
Des

Deanna

19-10-2004 21:59:47

i am pro-life...pro-truth...and that is only in the Bible...don't focus on the Christians but at Christ...instead of picking and choosing your own version of truth...read the Bible and read the KEY MESSAGE that states that you can only be saved through your personal Lord and Savior Jesus Christ...however, you think you deny that power and believe more in yourself and this open sounding new age theory because it's sounds so amazing in "theory"...but that is exactly what Satan wants you to believe...and it won't be a surprise to me when you guys reach your destiny of Hell if you continue living this experience...

Unless you are truly born again, you are not filled with the Holy Spirit...and you are simply relying on your own sense of pride and own knowledge...trusting only yourself and others who trust themselves more than others...wow...i'm sure this site is for discussion so we should all have a say even on this board...why don't you simply have an opened mind to it? Realize it's Satan who's speaking through you...

and one other question, how come Wayne Dyer doesn't talk anything about satanism as being a productive religion? Isn't the new age philosophy about there being only love and everything is good? What about terrorism and killing in this world? The world here on earth is meant to be evil for every human being has wicked thoughts and evil inside of him/her yet you try to intellectually rationalize by denying evil in your life...it's understandable because we all don't want to deal with the facts in reality...your reality is the same as mine...you are nothing...i am nothing yet i am saved by Christ...you must know and SEEK more than simply choosing your own version of truth...

WD is trapped from his own sense of ego...after having done the new age teachings for years and years, he's more trapped than a lot of others...destined to hell...unless he repents and truly understand what Christ's true message was instead of picking and choosing what he wants to make it...stop picking and choosing...before you were born, there was more...in fact, wd must be deamon possessed honestly...connecting with a picture of his face? give me a break...it's his ego doing the work and wanting to be recognized...that inner child yet childish selfishness of his who wants to attain God-status like the serpent deceptively lied to eve...when you think you are improving your "consciousness," realize that Satan hates you...have you ever met satanists who also promote new age works? i have...in darkness, i realized light in only through Christ...where did the word satan come from? From the Bible...

the truth is the narrow way...because on earth, it is easy to get lost in the wide distractions...yet if you continue to seek truth and only the truth, you will one day come to realize it is only through Christ that you will be saved from eternal punishment...

love in Christ,

BJ
Why are you here? Your stream does not run with the rest of the water in this stream, Just wondered! What is your purpose to come here?
Deanna

chris knight

20-10-2004 06:22:13

Chris, I like your sense of fairness. I would support also your exercising some moderator's licence in minimising the rant factor on this forum. I do think there is something to be said for the tone of the forum to be as peaceful and loving as the experience of reading a Wayne Dyer book or listening to a tape or CD of his.

Des,

I already am actually... One of the cool things with web forums is that I can remove threads that become abusive.

idea Sometimes there is value in engaging in conflict...as it forces us to either grow personally or it forces us to prove to ourselves that we can create peace and love regardless as to what the outside world is doing.

I'll tolerate healthy debate, but abusive personal attacks will be met with a healthy dose of my delete or ban keys. For every force in the universe, there is an equal opposite force.

Digitaltripper

25-10-2004 00:35:12

WOW.... In my humble opinion, I'd have to say that BJ has not been exposed to Wayne Dyers message. Again this is just my humble opinion. I cannot speak for Mr. Dyer nor would I even begin to pretend I know what I am talking about since I am a student on the journey of life as well. For me though, I feel that Mr. Dyer has “Hit the nail on the head”.

To begin, God is mentioned through out which is who I choose to believe in as my “Higher Power” or “Source” and yes I am “Born again” through my savior Jesus Christ. Since you need these labels I will use them for your benefit. “The power of Intention” is about many things one of which is about believing in something "greater than yourself" and connecting to that source. To provide the message to a wider audience, without infringing on or imparting a particular view toward any one religious/spiritual beliefs he has chosen to use the word “Source” to refer to God, Buddha, Jesus, Mohammad, or what anyone would choose to believe in that is “Greater than themselves” as their spiritual advisor.

“Be open to everything and attached to nothing” is one of my personnel favorites and one I will spend my life learning. I choose not to be “Narrow Minded”. There is much that is “Good” in the world and much that is ”Evil” as well. I choose to work toward “Lifting up” the people in my life and then I‘ll work on the world, rather than focus on the “Evil” or even give it a name.

I want to not “hate people” anymore. Just because I think 90% of the world “Do not get it” does not mean it is so. Keep an open mind, listen to the cd’s or watch the show uninterrupted. I am not saying it will change your position, but rather it may enhance what you already know.

Thank God for Public Television.
Thank God for Wayne Dyer.
Thank God for this forum

Thank you all for reading this

Anonymous

28-10-2004 13:20:36

i am pro-life...pro-truth...and that is only in the Bible...don't focus on the Christians but at Christ...instead of picking and choosing your own version of truth...read the Bible and read the KEY MESSAGE that states that you can only be saved through your personal Lord and Savior Jesus Christ...however, you think you deny that power and believe more in yourself and this open sounding new age theory because it's sounds so amazing in "theory"...but that is exactly what Satan wants you to believe...and it won't be a surprise to me when you guys reach your destiny of Hell if you continue living this experience...

Unless you are truly born again, you are not filled with the Holy Spirit...and you are simply relying on your own sense of pride and own knowledge...trusting only yourself and others who trust themselves more than others...wow...i'm sure this site is for discussion so we should all have a say even on this board...why don't you simply have an opened mind to it? Realize it's Satan who's speaking through you...

and one other question, how come Wayne Dyer doesn't talk anything about satanism as being a productive religion? Isn't the new age philosophy about there being only love and everything is good? What about terrorism and killing in this world? The world here on earth is meant to be evil for every human being has wicked thoughts and evil inside of him/her yet you try to intellectually rationalize by denying evil in your life...it's understandable because we all don't want to deal with the facts in reality...your reality is the same as mine...you are nothing...i am nothing yet i am saved by Christ...you must know and SEEK more than simply choosing your own version of truth...

WD is trapped from his own sense of ego...after having done the new age teachings for years and years, he's more trapped than a lot of others...destined to hell...unless he repents and truly understand what Christ's true message was instead of picking and choosing what he wants to make it...stop picking and choosing...before you were born, there was more...in fact, wd must be deamon possessed honestly...connecting with a picture of his face? give me a break...it's his ego doing the work and wanting to be recognized...that inner child yet childish selfishness of his who wants to attain God-status like the serpent deceptively lied to eve...when you think you are improving your "consciousness," realize that Satan hates you...have you ever met satanists who also promote new age works? i have...in darkness, i realized light in only through Christ...where did the word satan come from? From the Bible...

the truth is the narrow way...because on earth, it is easy to get lost in the wide distractions...yet if you continue to seek truth and only the truth, you will one day come to realize it is only through Christ that you will be saved from eternal punishment...

love in Christ,

BJ

Posted Wed 27 Oct, 2004


Not to be to personal and not to go into to many details, but almost 4 years ago when I was (what I felt) almost at the end of my life, I come *across* WD. He gave my life new meaning or better the meaning that it should have had all along.

Whatever I read in his books or listened to on his tapes/CD's were just a "reminder" of what all of us have just forgotten. His books and especially his tapes/CD's made me realise what life IS all about.

There are NO words to describe how grateful I am to him for unknowingly coming to my rescue. I trust that I am not the only one he *rescued*.

To me it is of NO relevance how much money he makes. He deserves it AND Wayne Dyer does it for me!!!!!

I must agree with Deanna. Why are you here? What is your purpose here?

Anonymous

12-11-2004 05:20:03

Disclaimer I have heard a WD tape, or seen a WD DVD, but a friend of mine was given a DVD a few days ago and he told me some of what Mr. Dyer says on the DVD and that piqued my curiosity, so I started snooping around and that is how I found this message board.

Given the truth of my disclaimer, you can imagine that I have very little at stake in the outcome of the pro/anti Dyer debate. Please, keep that in mind. I am writing to you as friendly outsider.

As a friendly outsider, I honestly think you can do better. Nothing mister Dyer tells you is worth the $15.00 or $25.00 you plopped down for each of his books.

Take this quote that I found on this message board

“Your entire worldview is based on how much respect you have for yourself.”

Let’s briefly examine the thought behind this.

First, what is a worldview? Unless Mr. Dyer is using the term in an opaque technical sense, a worldview is the sum of a person’s beliefs about the world.

Now I have many beliefs about the world. For instance, I believe that

(1) Any two bodies with mass will exert gravity on one another.
(2) The Battle of Hastings occurred in England in 1066 A.D.
(3) There are no unicorns.
(4) Dr. Pepper tastes better than Coke.
(5) Conan O’Brian is the funniest man on late night TV.
(6) It isn’t currently raining outside.

And none of these beliefs is based on how much I respect myself. I believe them independent of my level of self-respect at any given moment. If after I have accomplished something very satisfying, you come up to me and ask, “Does Dr. Pepper taste better than Coke?” I will say that is does. If you ask the same question after I have beaten a 12 year old for his gameboy, I might feel terrible about what I have done to the 12 year old, but that won’t change belief about Coke.

The point is, that this quote is a gross oversimplification at best, and a hasty generalization at worst. That’s number 18 on your list of logical fallacies, Chris.

You people deserve better than to spend your hard earned dollars on hasty and oversimplified answers.

jcblanco22

12-11-2004 09:16:47

Disclaimer I have heard a WD tape, or seen a WD DVD, but a friend of mine was given a DVD a few days ago and he told me some of what Mr. Dyer says on the DVD and that piqued my curiosity, so I started snooping around and that is how I found this message board.

Given the truth of my disclaimer, you can imagine that I have very little at stake in the outcome of the pro/anti Dyer debate. Please, keep that in mind. I am writing to you as friendly outsider.

As a friendly outsider, I honestly think you can do better. Nothing mister Dyer tells you is worth the $15.00 or $25.00 you plopped down for each of his books.

Take this quote that I found on this message board

“Your entire worldview is based on how much respect you have for yourself.”

Let’s briefly examine the thought behind this.

First, what is a worldview? Unless Mr. Dyer is using the term in an opaque technical sense, a worldview is the sum of a person’s beliefs about the world.

Now I have many beliefs about the world. For instance, I believe that

(1) Any two bodies with mass will exert gravity on one another.
(2) The Battle of Hastings occurred in England in 1066 A.D.
(3) There are no unicorns.
(4) Dr. Pepper tastes better than Coke.
(5) Conan O’Brian is the funniest man on late night TV.
(6) It isn’t currently raining outside.

And none of these beliefs is based on how much I respect myself. I believe them independent of my level of self-respect at any given moment. If after I have accomplished something very satisfying, you come up to me and ask, “Does Dr. Pepper taste better than Coke?” I will say that is does. If you ask the same question after I have beaten a 12 year old for his gameboy, I might feel terrible about what I have done to the 12 year old, but that won’t change belief about Coke.

The point is, that this quote is a gross oversimplification at best, and a hasty generalization at worst. That’s number 18 on your list of logical fallacies, Chris.

You people deserve better than to spend your hard earned dollars on hasty and oversimplified answers.

Yeah, but what about if I ask you if Tab is better than Shasta after you maim a 10 year old for his Sega Saturn, and his 35 year old father for an old Intellivision system that's been in his garage for 20 years? Methinks your answer would be different then!!!

AnotherSeeker

05-12-2004 17:44:57

I have always been a seeker of truths for myself and prayerful interpretation of truths I find along the way.

I am a born-again Christian and I am not here to proseletyze in any way shape or form. I do find I have much to excuse and need to consistently adopt an attitude of not being judgemental with the people (particularly the religious right) who have hijacked this term and made it seemingly that one who is born again is lacking in intellect, compassion, "free-thinking" vs. mob mentality ...etc... but unfortunately the most vocal "born-agains" seem to confirm this way of thinking for most!

Including myself.........

I am finding Dr, Dyer's writings to be very helpful to me in resolving some issues I have had in being a performing musician. I have read a number of books on improving performance such as "The Inner Game of Music" and Kenny Werner's "Effortless Mastery" in finding ease in performance with the mind chatter of always striving to be my best at what I do.

I have investigated Unity a bit and it is not for me, although that is not a criticism. I find I am generally at peace to not be a practicing member of any congregation, although I technically am Lutheran in my church membership. I have the peace of Christ when when dealing with the big issues in life, like losing a loved one or going through a personal physical injury recently. Luckily I am again in good health, but find the smaller things in life to be petty and hard to deal with at times.

Dr. Dyer's books have helped me in taking a more laid back attitude to career issues, etc.. and like I said, I do believe I was lead to read these books.

I hope you will welcome me to this board and please know that not all born-again Christians are close minded judgemental people, although I am quite sure that I would be judged myself quite harshly by some of my own "brothers and sisters" in the faith to consider that there may be nuggets of truth outside of "mainstream" Christianity.

Thanks for reading.