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Wayne Dyer dishonest?

Anonymous

23-08-2004 00:38:55

I listened to and watched tons of Wayne Dyer tapes and videos.

Has anyone else ever noticed he changes his storys and facts from one tape to another.

I heard in one he told that stupid "Scurvey Elephant" story about some other kid, and in another he says it happened to him.

I heard him say when he was in the navy he said to himself, "Don't die with your music still inside you."

He said he heard that from someone else on one of his tapes in the 80's.

If he is so loose with the facts, How can you believe anything he says?

I've also heard him tell storys that "really happened to him" and then it is just an old joke.

But he doesn't say that at the end.

"What did he say about your 40 year old ass?"

"He never mentioned you."

Lie about one thing,

What's not to keep you from lying about other stuff?

Just get a bad vibe from him.

Too smug, After all the years of telling people how to be better, he comes

out a few years ago and says he had a drinking problem.

Hypocrite.

chris knight

23-08-2004 06:06:13

I listened to and watched tons of Wayne Dyer tapes and videos.

Has anyone else ever noticed he changes his storys and facts from one tape to another.
No, I have not noticed that, and I listen and read with a skeptical ear and eye just like most folks...

I heard in one he told that stupid "Scurvey Elephant" story about some other kid, and in another he says it happened to him.
If you're going to make a claim, please back it up with facts. Which tape or books did he allegedly make the conflicting statements?

I heard him say when he was in the navy he said to himself, "Don't die with your music still inside you."

He said he heard that from someone else on one of his tapes in the 80's.
Again, which tapes or books had the alleged conflicting information?

If he is so loose with the facts, How can you believe anything he says?
How can half the country in the USA vote for John Kerry if he keeps changing his vote and story to suit him in the momemt? Ooops, I'm off topic. roll

Listen, you are not required to listen or believe anything he says. Like all experts, you take what you can from them and leave the rest behind that do not apply to you.

I've also heard him tell storys that "really happened to him" and then it is just an old joke.

But he doesn't say that at the end.

"What did he say about your 40 year old ass?"

"He never mentioned you."
I have no idea what you're saying or referring to here? Care to clarify?

Lie about one thing,

What's not to keep you from lying about other stuff?

Just get a bad vibe from him.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion... No one said he was right for everyone.

Too smug, After all the years of telling people how to be better, he comes out a few years ago and says he had a drinking problem.

Hypocrite.
Dude, this is not new "news." Those that read his works a decade ago or more knew he mentioned this issue a long, long time ago.

I've heard Wayne called a lot of things, but a lier or being dishonest? That's a stretch.

Perhaps there could be some credibility to your claims if you backed up your facts and posted your full name or from a registered member account.

And even if you did have the facts to back up the claims; does it really matter? I don't see this issue as a "slipperly slope" issue. You should question everything you read and hear and if it's not true for you or gives you a "bad vibe" -- then chuck the book and tapes and move on. ?

Anonymous

23-08-2004 19:12:24

The Bible speaks of the story of Noah. Perhaps your familiar with the story of how he goes out into the world and collect 7 pairs of 'clean' animals and only 3 pairs of 'unclean' animals in order to save lives from a flood. He puts all the animals and his family and some others into an Ark which he built.

We have no proof of Noah... because it doesn't really matter. It's a story of one man's faith. That's the issue, not the facts. It's the concepts of what Dr. Dyer is speaking of and not the facts of who did what to whom. That part doesn't really matter. He's a motivational speaker and is using stories to motivate. Whether the stories are factual or not isn't the issue.

Again, the Bible, new testiment has two stories of the birth of christ. One of them states that shepards came and the other states that wisemen came. Which is it? Most church's get around this by including both; combining the scriptures of Matthew and Luke eventhough there are differences. Does this mean the Bible is lying? No really, it's one's interpretation.

I haven't heard anything from Dr. Dyer that has the intention to deceive. If you choose to get wraped up in facts, that's your choice and you are free to do so. The concepts he speaks of are not always obvious. I expect the facts are stretched in order to make the points more obvious to the listener and help drive home the main ideas.

Try this

Don't listen to what he says, listen to what he means...

Anonymous

23-08-2004 20:28:02

I used to love reading wayne dyer's books for years...including his tapes, and all kinds of new age philosophy (clearly and indirectly stating that you are God, which is untrue)...

The new age movement is an illusion...a deceptive lie that is hurting seekers of truth...i was wrapped up in this movement studying this and finally came to the realization that Christ is the only way to be saved...it's just unfortunate that many of these new age "gurus" only pick and choose what to believe to create and live their own reality...

the truth is, you didn't create your reality...God created it for you...and don't seek truth from the dead...the blinded...read the Bible...www.Bible.com or a site like www.contenderministries.org.

There is no God like Christ...who cared more about others than Himself...WD is not a god...honestly, i feel for him...and hope he changes...but it's tough once you continue to be trapped in that lifestyle...new age is all about the self...self fulfillment...Christ is about others...when people focus only on the self, the world becomes full of arrogance and you can hear it from WD's words in his interviews and etc...

hopefully, there are people near him who continue to tell him the real truth...which is found in the Bible...but a person who is seeking no matter what religion you are in, God will bless you with salvation...

new age is essentially a selfish self improvment philosophy...sad...take a look at a lot of religions and they are all about the self...God created the truth...not humans...so stop picking and choosing what truth is to feed your own ego...that is the devil's work...when you say there is devil, realize it's the devil who's just tricking you...i used to believe in new age philosophy for 3 years...and thought God is all about love...but that is exactly what satan wants you to believe...i encourage you seekers to seek and read the Bible with an OPENED mind...and ask Jesus for forgiveness of your sins and sincerely ask Him to come into your life...for then, Christ will lead your path...

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths."

Proverbs 35-36

Anonymous

23-08-2004 22:06:25

Hi Guest,

I too am a guest here. My name is Bryon. I noticed you stated that the new age movement is an illusion as though that were a fact. Is it a fact that the new age movement is an illusion? Please feel free to enlighten us with these facts... 8) I couldn't resist. The TRUTH is that we are all here on this planet together. Some are as arrogant to believe their God is the solution to today's problems. Why take responsibility for your own feelings and actions when you have "New Age" relegions you can blame for the way your about to behave. I'm glad you have found a path that works for you.

Here is an interesting quote from you
"...God created the truth...not humans..."

Perhaps that's true. But it was humans that created God. God is a character of literature - The Bible. God is what men wrote! God is an ancient understanding of rituals and traditions. God is what science cannot explain. God is what you make him/her/it. God is something none of us can explain. God is the 'unknowable force'.... God is any number of labels you care to use.

Are these seekers of the truth that are being hurt, really being deceived? Or is it thier 'intention' to find deception? You can find agreement in anything, if you look hard enough.

If you want to look for agreement in the "New Age" being deceptive - you'll find it. Just as anyone looking for deception in Christianity will find that too... Careful what you look for, you might find it!

chris knight

24-08-2004 07:05:00

...but it's tough once you continue to be trapped in that lifestyle...new age is all about the self...self fulfillment...Christ is about others...when people focus only on the self, the world becomes full of arrogance and you can hear it from WD's words in his interviews and etc...
This issue is not as black and white as you make it out to be.

When we focus on ourselves, we improve our ability to give of ourselves... It doesn't have to be "only" or 100% focus, but rather a balance of focus on our needs and the needs of others.

A Dyerism "You can't give away what you don't have."

Example If you give yourself permission to work out or hit the gym for some exercise, you'll feel better about yourself and that increased self-esteem or confidence can be shared with others... potentially inspiring them to take action to improve their lives as well.

new age is essentially a selfish self improvment philosophy...sad...
Whatever you believe is true for you.

Anonymous

24-08-2004 17:04:11

hello again,

in the beginning, the serpant seduced eve by saying that if she and adam ate the apple, they would attain power of God...that is what the new age movement is essentially doing...deceptively lying to you by the power of satan...and when people deny satan, that's EXACTLY what satan wants you to do...so you will ultimately be led into the illusion that you are better than others...and don't need God in your life...if everything in this life is good, you are completely in denial...if every religion is good, what about satanism? How come the new age encourages all religions to be great EXCEPT satanism, which is a religion too? Because they are in DENIAL...

oh everything in this world is great...there are no weeds...according to the Bible, this world was not meant to be peachy and rosy...in fact, that is only in Heaven where no sin exists...stop looking from the earthly point of view...but realize there is more than this temporary life...this is not only about right and wrong but also something that needs to discussed for these boardrooms are full of pick and choose ideas...

and as far as men wrote the Bible...it was men chosen by God to write down the scripture...why do i criticize new age? not because i didn't know...i was into it for over three years reading books by Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra, Shakti Gawain, Napoleon Hill, etc for my doubt in Christ in the past...but slowly but surely, i came to the realization that these people were all about themselves...

one little example, why does Wayne Dyer have his face on the cover of EVERY single book of his or nearly 99% of them? What's up with his constant need for recognition and pride and achievement...all about himself? Is there a humble heart in him? I really doubt it for the fact that he is lost right now...he is clearly a well spoken guy but he is essentially a deceptive liar who probably doesn't even know that he is lying either...for the fact that he is lost...

pride essentially means that you are distant from God and you do not need Him since you solely rely on yourself...self-reliance creates arrogance and anger in your soul...The Bible clearly says that you can only be saved through Jesus Christ...not buddha, muhammid...they were probably good people who didn't intend to do harm but ended up being lost...

"He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

- John 847

This verse doesn't mean it's completely over for you guys for if you truly seek with an OPENED HEART, you will find and receive the answer soon or later...i hope you guys sooner and later come to the real truth which is only through Christ...and many of you guys may not believe in Christ for your past experiences...just like i had when i hated going to church...but it was just a phase...don't be trapped by this illusion of the new age movement...that doesn't mean Christian life is a struggle-free life for it is not...no one in this earth is perfect...we try so hard especially guys fixated on new age and self-help trying to be perfect...only to come to realize that we are not...including the so called "self help gurus"...stop with your "i have attained this higher level" arrogance...we are all sheep compared to our true leader Jesus Christ...

if you guys are interested, check out my website at www.advancedsexualattraction.com.

I used to promote picking up chicks in the past but have given that all up and have changed all of my content in that site to dedicate it to sending my testimonial for my change and finding out the real truth in Christ...

best of luck to you all...

BJ

Anonymous

24-08-2004 19:41:31

Hi BJ,

In the event you should read this

BJ - there sounds like alot of whining and complaining from you. Here's a question you might ask yourself

Why do you come to this board? You know what its about and it upsets you... Why do you come here and not to some Christian site that would be more appropriate to your beliefs?

I don't think it's likely that I will change your beliefs anymore than you will change mine. You nearly sound like our political champaigns that sling mud. I'm tired of slinging mud, aren't you?

If this site isn't where it's at for you.... why are you here?

Anonymous

24-08-2004 19:51:44

hi there,

because i was one of you guys in the past for over three years intensely...and i understand your situation and i didn't come to this site just because i wanted to...in fact, this is the first time posting here in a long time...i noticed the title of this blog and it struck a cord because i too remember feeling deceived by wd's teachings because he used to be my favorite author and speaker for a very long time...until further seeking, i came to realize although he was intellectual and sophisticated, he was still a lost soul like the serpent saying you can be God (which is untrue)...and deceiving thousands and thousands like yourself...so i am coming from empathy because i know what you are going through honestly...i may sound like i'm whining because of the fact that i am a passionate person...

i am doing whatever it takes to help you to get a reality check on what truth is...of course, it is not me only doing the work but i sincerely hope that many of you guys if not all can be touched by the truth (in Christ) in the near future if not now...

take care,
BJ

mojoman

24-08-2004 23:37:44

"I used to love reading wayne dyer's books for years...including his tapes, and all kinds of new age philosophy (clearly and indirectly stating that you are God, which is untrue)..."

Well it sounds like you didn't understand the message that was said in all those books and tapes then Guest. Dr Wayne doesn't say you are God in the sense that you're the creator, the source..the God of the universe. He states that you are a part of God ie, a drop of water is from the ocean.
The bible even states we were made in God's image and says we should strive to be God-like in character.

The new-age movement IMHO is trying to undo centuries of damage religion has caused. Seriously, if religion was the way then why do people do unspeakable horrors in his name? Whether they call him Allah, Jehovah, Krishna etc they are all talking about the same source.

As for Dr Wayne being dishonest? I'm sure he is at times. He is only but a man..not God. We all have our flaws, we all have our demons. It's the message he's bringing, not his personality you need to focus on. There is a Buddhist truth which says,

"Rely not upon the person, but upon the doctrine.
With respect to the doctrine, rely not on the words but on the meaning."

God Bless

Anonymous

24-08-2004 23:49:34

Okay,

Thanks for your concern. He's not my favorite either but, I don't find it necessary to attack his personal/professional life.

I'm familiar with "The Power of Intention" but, mostly through the works of Carlos Castaneda and Ken Eagle Feather - more on other topics than just 'intent'. Perhaps Wayne isn't your idea of what a motivational speaker should be, that's fine. You are free to think whatever you'd like.

You made one statement
"...i am doing whatever it takes to help you to get a reality check on what truth is..."

What qualifies you as the obtainer of truth? Perhaps I know more truth than you... Would you even know the truth if it bit you on the b*tt?

Here's a reality check for you. I don't have all the answers, nor do I pretend to...... I guess I'm not as arrogant to think that you would change because of what I say. I spent the first 19 years of my life going to church every Sunday and that wasn't working for me. I needed something that would make me aware of my totality and arouse my spirit and awareness. The church wasn't doing this for me. Or, more accurately, the church doesn't teach this kind of awareness and only skims the surface by acknowledging a spirit exists. I'm glad it's working for you - go with what works for you! I have no problems with christian teachings and I'm pretty familiar with them.

Be at peace...

Bryon

mojoman

25-08-2004 00:19:39

Man oh man..BJ, you remind me of my religious teachers @ school. I grew up in the SDA church and did all my schooling through it. Not that they were bad, they taught me alot and really it was my understanding @ the time which caused me to 'rebel' against it's teachings.

For myself there are just somethings about religion and the bible I cannot accept. For instance how a God of infinte love and peace can decide that he's had enough and it's time to wipe the earth clean in the story of Noah.
How a God of infinite patience can decide that Sodom is too sinful and so they must be wiped out. The Israelites in captivity where the angel of death killed every firstborn child in houses that did not have blood on the door..I mean c'mon, killing innocent children?

Anyway, thats the great thing about this world..free will. Believe what you want to believe in, do what works for you.

God bless

Anonymous

09-09-2004 12:20:09

D

Hi, I have been reading about Wayne Dyers so called Dishonesty
and had to reply. Every life that is led consists of only 2 sure things,
change and death. Our hearts and souls and minds are not
conscripted in concrete, every day new cells emerge and old
cells die. It is this way from the first breath we suck in and the
last breath we expel.

It is what we do with the time between those breaths that is the
most important. If we make a mistake in our choice of lifestyle,
we own up to it and change it. If we have had addictions and
personal problems in our lives, then most people gladly welcome
us to the human race and embrace us as they show us their scars
also.

If we are naive enough to believe that famous people do not
have problems, then you will be much harder on yourself when
your own problems surface, and if you live long enough, it is a
sure thing that they will...

Love to all of you,

M

Anonymous

14-09-2004 03:46:37

D

Hi, I have been reading about Wayne Dyers so called Dishonesty
and had to reply. Every life that is led consists of only 2 sure things,
change and death. Our hearts and souls and minds are not
conscripted in concrete, every day new cells emerge and old
cells die. It is this way from the first breath we suck in and the
last breath we expel.

It is what we do with the time between those breaths that is the
most important. If we make a mistake in our choice of lifestyle,
we own up to it and change it. If we have had addictions and
personal problems in our lives, then most people gladly welcome
us to the human race and embrace us as they show us their scars
also.

If we are naive enough to believe that famous people do not
have problems, then you will be much harder on yourself when
your own problems surface, and if you live long enough, it is a
sure thing that they will...

Love to all of you,

M

Love to you, too.

Anonymous

26-09-2004 07:03:58

"We all get it from the same source, we just package it under different brand names" D

Anonymous

27-09-2004 22:19:01

Hey Guest,

Hehehehe.... be careful, some might think you were trying to equate Wayne with Jesus instead of equating both of speak of the truths we know.

Take care.

Quakingmess

30-09-2004 19:12:13

I am equating Wayne with Jesus!

Anonymous

30-09-2004 22:42:30

Quakingmess,

shock

Why would you equate the two?

Quakingmess

01-10-2004 07:17:21

"All that I have done so shall ye do, and even greater things than these..."

We are all a part of God. One indivisible force!

I also equate you with Jesus.

Jesus was like you and me without all our "stuff".

He is PURE love and forgiveness.

My opinion D D

Anonymous

01-10-2004 20:35:06

Okay. D

Anonymous

08-10-2004 18:24:04

This is interesting, especially the posts from the guest who is a Christian and nothing else.

My experience is the opposite. I was a very devout Christian for decades, then completely left 3 years ago. I just couldn't "believe" any more.

I feel Dyer is filling the need for me to have some sense of spirituality without being religious. It's more of a philosophy and psychology than it is religious.

Thank "god" for something to fill the need for us atheists! wink

Pat )

Anonymous

15-10-2004 03:04:32

It is easy to discern truth. Everything negative is of the ego or lower self and everything positive is of the spirit. We are God. Namaste

kjkane47

25-10-2004 10:30:15

I have always known that giving attention to any matter merely validates it. I find the opinions here "interesting" yet all any of us knows is what is best for that person looking back at us in the mirror each day. Opinions are simply one person stating what is right for them and their beings. )

Anonymous

25-10-2004 19:07:38

We often expect other people to meet our needs. When they donít give us what we want, we may feel anger, resentment and even revengeful.

Rather than blaming others, we could choose to get in touch with our needs and then fill them ourselves.

Deanna

25-10-2004 23:21:43

Wayne Dyer,
is a person that has put himself out there for others...I salute him!

Every person in this world has an opinion, it may be different than yours but isn't that a freedom? And isn't it okay to have that freedom?

I did the religion thing, it did not work for me! So much of it has to do with the "you have to believe what I do or you are damned" thing. I couldn't go there.

I do not believe that is what God is about!

God lives within you!

Guest, can you feel that! I can, please do not think you have to save me, I am already saved...

We all bless you with love and peace! We hope you find it and pass it on in the same peaceful manner that Wayne Dyer does!

Do you make a positive difference in another persons life? It is all about love, not being critical. You need to check that at the door of this domain!

Deanna

majelmarly

07-11-2004 18:13:40

I thought it was fairly stupid interpretating Wayne Dyer's messages in a sense so "strictly speaking"...
Dr Dyer is a very authentic and congruent person. Above all, he possesses a rare kind of generosity to give his knowledge available to everyone. Sometimes, he tells the story differently for us to better or more easily understand. To interprete his messages as hypocrisy is very mean.

kjkane47

08-11-2004 10:15:42

I know that it is always best (as Marianne Williamson once stated) to only concentrate on where a person's heart is - and not the immediate words that you may disagree with. Wayne Dyer's overall words have taught vast amounts of individuals to look at things differently. NO ONE has all the answers for anyone else. We must open our minds - take what we can use and know is right for us -and throw the rest away. And forget it. Blindly following anyone else is never the right answer - and I know Wayne Dyer would agree with that. )