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Wayne Dyer's words on how his wife Marcelene Dyer left him

chris knight

04-07-2004 06:30:03

Wayne Dyer said, "...my wife, to whom I was married to for twenty years and have seven children with, met somebody else and left me. I was confronted with another huge shift in my life that took much more of the breath out of me than my heart attack. I’m sort of coming to grips with that. I’m learning what it means to have someone you love very much leave you."
Source h t t p //www.newvisionsmagazine.com/september2003/dyer0903.html

Recently Toni Collins (Catholic music expert) made this statement

"Clear-thinking people might ask for some proof that Dr. Dyer’s theories have actually worked. Has Dr. Dyer been able to heal himself? Actually, a stent had to be inserted in a clogged artery when Dr. Dyer suffered a heart attack a few years ago. Has he been able to find the right people when he needs them? Actually, after twenty years of marriage and the blessings of seven children, Dr. Dyer’s wife left him for someone else. So despite Dr. Dyer’s obvious devotion to the idea that we can perform miracles, his own life actually denies the veracity of his theories."
Source of the quote http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?art_id=23365

Additional info This happened near the time of his heart attack, about 3-4 years ago http://www.waynedyerbooks.com/index.asp

How devastating. I know Dyer talks about how he used this bad experience as the basis for his Power of Intenion book, but my heart would be broken - especially after that much history and 7 children.

Any comments?

Eykis

08-08-2004 19:58:06

How devastating. I know Dyer talks about how he used this bad experience as the basis for his Power of Intenion book, but my heart would be broken - especially after that much history and 7 children.

Any comments?
I had no idea this was the basis of the new book. My heart goes out to him. As someone who is trying to deal with the end of a 20 year relationship with no kids (four months ago tomorrow cry ), I am totally devastated. All of the metaphysical principles fail me in grief. I find myself unable to focus on anything but the loss. Hope seems gone forever.

I would like to know more on how Wayne handled this incredible challenge and how he is doing now.

Eykis

08-08-2004 20:08:18

Recently Toni Collins (Catholic music expert) made this statement

"Clear-thinking people might ask for some proof that Dr. Dyer’s theories have actually worked. Has Dr. Dyer been able to heal himself? Actually, a stent had to be inserted in a clogged artery when Dr. Dyer suffered a heart attack a few years ago. Has he been able to find the right people when he needs them? Actually, after twenty years of marriage and the blessings of seven children, Dr. Dyer’s wife left him for someone else. So despite Dr. Dyer’s obvious devotion to the idea that we can perform miracles, his own life actually denies the veracity of his theories."
Source of the quote http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?art_id=23365


As someone who was raised Catholic who has watched the church become less and less about the teachings and more and more about being gatekeepers for the rest of us, I take this article in the spirit it is written- The author is fearful. Fearful of God, fearful of another path to God other than the Catholic Church. The obvious sarcasm in the author's comments are not of God/Love. It has to be fear.

chris knight

08-08-2004 21:06:05

As someone who is trying to deal with the end of a 20 year relationship with no kids (four months ago tomorrow cry ), I am totally devastated. All of the metaphysical principles fail me in grief. I find myself unable to focus on anything but the loss. Hope seems gone forever.
Sorry to hear the news...

I had a close friend end their 19 year marriage out of the blue (or so it seemed), and now a year later they have both moved on to new lives... knowing they will still be part of each others lives because of their son -- but they won't be part of each others daily life.

I'd offer you a Dyer quote
"Everything we feel is missing from our life we're already connected to..."
My point
Hope can not be "gone forever" if you're already connected to it.
I think we all forget what we are connected to from time to time...or at least I know that I have to remind myself to only focus on what I want to manifest. For you, I hope (gentle attempt at comedy) you choose to pursue hope. 8)

Eykis

09-08-2004 12:29:55

As someone who is trying to deal with the end of a 20 year relationship with no kids (four months ago tomorrow cry ), I am totally devastated. All of the metaphysical principles fail me in grief. I find myself unable to focus on anything but the loss. Hope seems gone forever.
Sorry to hear the news...

I had a close friend end their 19 year marriage out of the blue (or so it seemed), and now a year later they have both moved on to new lives... knowing they will still be part of each others lives because of their son -- but they won't be part of each others daily life.

I'd offer you a Dyer quote
"Everything we feel is missing from our life we're already connected to..."
My point
Hope can not be "gone forever" if you're already connected to it.
I think we all forget what we are connected to from time to time...or at least I know that I have to remind myself to only focus on what I want to manifest. For you, I hope (gentle attempt at comedy) you choose to pursue hope. 8)

Marianne Williamson, who does lectures on ACIM, says only the love was real and the love is never lost, that it will never die. But that's in the bigger picture, outside the world of form. In this human existence, the emotions of loss and grief are very real.

I am very interested to know how Wayne was able to find inspiration in what had to be a devastating time in his life.

beaker

28-08-2004 11:49:56

Is loss another lesson we have to go through, or just something we are supposed to expect, as everything and everyone is only on loan to us?

I was also having trouble with Dr. Dyer's principles in the middle of my mother/best friends sudden death. No warning, only middle aged, no illness, I just found her on the floor. Knowing he has some experience with a loss somewhat similar helps. I'm sure he has been grateful for the time he spent with her, but has he been able to to be thankful for her leaving? I am having trouble being thankful the death of my mom. I can be thankful for some aspects of it, and of her life, but not the circumstances and timing of death. Anyone have any ideas?

Quakingmess

01-10-2004 19:33:53

I have had a LOT of pain in my life. I think you can only understand it once the emotion is removed.

Time will heal the emotional wound, and the wound is only the attachment to whatever is lost. Actually, nothing is ever lost. It is simply an illusion.

But just knowing that doesn't help the pain.

You can only experience pain in the physical body. You can ony experience emotions in the body.

Try feeling an emotion without feeling it in your body.

Interesting.

Love be with you. )

majelmarly

24-10-2004 20:11:55

Dear Mr. Dyer,
I've just been learning on this forum what's happening to you.
Recently watching you on TV, I was thinking to myself he has changed and almost look exhausted. He must give himself too much in those conferences...
It never occured to me that anything could happen in your life that you didn't wanted to... I was beginning thinking of you as somebody just a little more than human...
Yesterday (Saturday, October 24) I was at your conference in Montreal. I was very glad and very proud to be there because I think it was your first time in Montréal. When you played the song of St-Francis sunged by Skye, I ran away from the room (didn't realizing I was in front and the room was so far away from the exit...) Neither than I did know of the little controversy about the song...
Anyway, I wish you to take good care of your health and of yourself. And I can't prevent myself from saying that your wife, choosing another man instead of yourself, surely didn't want to continue to live with someone so great, choosing a somebody more ordinary... Sure I have no idea what your 20 years together meant, but I found that... Anyhow, it's not of my business. I must stop these nonsense talkings...
Just wanted to send you "universal love", peace of mind and happiness...
Bye,
Hoping to see you soon back in Montreal -and this time, don't miss bringing us wonderful loving Skye...

Marlène
(from Montréal)

Redwhite

10-12-2004 08:05:14

Hi doc. You changed my life.

Sorry to hear about your marriage. The unthinkable does happen. It makes me think of an old story.
An Chinese couple and their son worked on their small piece of field everyday trying to make a living.
One day about 30 horses came past their plot one day, and they captured the horses. The next day the community from the town came to the family and told the old man how happy they are for his good fortune. The old man replied, “If it is a good thing or a bad thing I do not know, I will wait and see what path it takes and what it brings”
The son then tried to break in the horses, fell and broke his hip. He was crippled by this. The next day the community from the town came to the family and told the old man how sad they are for the bad luck which fell upon his son. The old man replied, “If it is a good thing or a bad thing I do not know, I will wait and see what path it takes and what it brings”.
A few years later wat broke out. All the healthy males were gathered and sent to the frontline. The next day the community from the town came to them and told the old man how happy they are in that his son was not sent to the army. The old man replied, “If it is a good thing or a bad thing I do not know, I will wait and see what path it takes and what it brings”

I praise God in that I cannot see in the future, otherwise I would not wanted to live. One would not see the blissful times as we do not fear them.

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, ambition inspired, and success achieved.
--Helen Keller

majelmarly

23-12-2004 16:38:44

As an answer to myself to the letter I did write here last October

This was my first message and I wanted to be nice, above all, to look nice! Furthermore, I didn't want to write on such a trivial and personal subject!! But I'm curious like everybody!...
However my higher self can told
What is it of our business?
What do we have to do with his life?
Dr Dyer is a nice wonderful spiritual teacher. Thank God for all who can benefit from his really excellent teachings. That's what's important to us! That, he is so generous with his mind and knowledge because, generally, those who really know keep it for themselves to gain power and influence.

Personally, I think he's not so nice in his private life (with women, maybe!?) But from his teachings and public appearances, my intuition makes me sure he is a great father and a very honest man. Also, he's someone strong and courageous and highly conscious of all his own "weaknesses"...

And being in Christmas Time and wanting to be authentic (and even not afraid of becoming a bit disturbing) I must say I'm jalous of his public success, his 8 children loving him, his dreamlife house in Maui, his facility making great relationships... But what does anybody want to do with that. ... It's mean and unfair to say? I don't care! because I'm not somebody mean and unfair. To the contrary.
I' m just somebody not afraid of telling the truth of what he really felt ...and maybe many hypocrites having already said so nice thing might rejoice at the bottom of their brownished hearts...

GSwee

23-05-2005 13:31:48

Wow...I am so shocked by this. I just discovered Wayne Dyer's material a few months ago and I came across this thread...and I had no idea he was divorced.

I cannot believe it...Wayne is such a beautiful human being, his words and wisdom have such healing power. I enjoy his material very very much and I am sad to hear that something like this had happened to him.

I am sure he is a much better person because of all of this and I wish him great love and happiness!

Mamagik

04-08-2005 08:18:08

Here we go again !!!!! Yup in our all too human mind (mine, too) we see these things as formidable and sad and scary and all kinds of negative, but if we review Wayne's thoughts we'll find that HE KNOWS that they are not as they appear!!!!
We can never know "why" until it is time to know "why" We can never take the "good" until it is time for us to see what was good
What is good about his divorce - HE'LL find out in time
Same with his heart attack
Maybe he is being used to teach someone else Of course the "maybes" are endless So maybe we need to keep him (and her) in our prayers and continue his good works
Oh, and in reply to a comment that REALLY fueled my fire WAYNE KNOWS THAT HE DOES NOT HEAL HIMSELF that he is only a conduit for a Greater Source
I'm done now Blessing, Mamagik

Faith

21-08-2005 18:37:01

New to the site also; found it specifically because I just read elsewhere the news about his divorce. All the varied opinions and thoughts expressed here do not surprise me ~ human nature in all its colors and hues and perspectives being expressed.

For me personally? I feel no differently about the man and his thoughts and ideas; he's provided me with much to contemplate over the years through his books ~ having seen him in person convinced me the man speaks with integrity and from his own sense of personal truth. His energy was "honest". He works a system to the best of his ability - that he did not create ~ it is what it is, driven by much that he tries to encourage us to let go of. Some are ready to do that...some not.

What happened to his relationship is just another experience along his path; I expect nothing less from him than that he handle it from the spiritual center of his beliefs from which his books have sprung. And I suspect that he will continue to share his personal journey with us by writing in the future about how this experience has affected him and brought further insight.

Anyone who has followed this mans' growth over the years, should not...and indeed if they've learned anything at all on their own journey...cannot ~ judge him.

Servant of God

24-11-2005 21:30:18

Manifest your destiny talks about manifesting YOUR destiny.Not someone elses.You cannot controll other peoples actions and deeds.He also talks about lifes peaks and valleys.Just because he went through a valley it does not mean his messege is not true.In fact,him being honest, incredbly loving and compasionate towards his wife is testament to his teachings.No one is perfect.But we are all perfect in our imperfection.

misha503

28-11-2005 22:52:37

Hi everyone! I'm new to the board so bear with me. ) Although I certainly don't have as many years on the board as Wayne Dyer and Marcelene do, I can somewhat understand what he's going through. I am once divorced and now getting out of my second long-term relationship of 9 years. Neither one of us left the other for other people (or so this is what I believe) but it still hurts when you are separating from someone after that long of a history. I don't even have kids so I truly can't imagine what Dr. Dyer is going through. My thoughts and prayers are with him and his family and that they all can heal together through this. I'm sure Dr. Dyer is focusing on all the good that he shared and will always share with his wife (it certainly doesn't mean the relationship stops here, it has just shifted into a different kind of relationship...and both will always include love). I'm trying to focus on not being so angry on not seeing things a little more clearly than after 9 years...but I believe things happen and emerge at the time they're supposed to to, either to open more doors for both of us or for whatever reason the universe has for us at that time. Anyway, I'm blabbing.....I wish Dr. Dyer all the best and I want to thank him for his powerful messages and healing spirit both to me and my family growing up. )

Misha

torg6850

04-03-2006 17:31:01

I have listened to Wayne Dyer for about 30 years now. I had some of his audio tapes many years ago, before he was so well known. His beliefs are so close to the way myself and my husband feel. My husband, who is also a great influence on my life, has said so many of the same truths that Dr. Dyer says.

Anyhow, it brought tears to my eyes to hear of the breakup of him and his wife. I just couldn't imagine anyone leaving him for someone else.

I will pray tonite for his emotional and physical well being, and above all his happiness.

He is such an inspiration to us.

Betsy

clb0721

29-04-2006 22:11:42

I was very surprised to see Wayne's wife on this winter's PBS special. Also very, very happy. Obviously, his 'theories' work!

Some of the previous posts here (over 2 years) have suggested that somehow his 'divorce', if that is what happened ultimately with Marcie, was a failure. God bless us all, but divorce, like physical death and physical birth, is often just a spiritual transition, or can be...obviously, I've been there! Twice!

I believe and have experienced that divorce has been 'demonized' and that the end of many relationships can be a wonderful rebirth, if we can let go of society's tendency to turn every divorce into an emotional drama.

To those of you going through break-ups reading this, please take heart. A marriage takes two, and no matter how it may seem, our partners have the right to change. We ALL have the right to change. What I've seen so often is that a change in one partner produces insecurity in another, and divorce follows. Is it necessary to divorce - that's what I wonder, sincerely. If it is, why is that divorce necessarily 'bad'?

Betrayal (as when someone leaves or cheats) can be an opportunity for healing and growth. To quote Don Miguel Ruiz' Four Agreements - 'nothing anyone does is ever because of you. It's about what they believe to be true within themselves'. The exception here would be when an abuser is dumped - no one should stay in such a relationship, including verbal and emotional abuse.

Finally, since no one is here to stop me ! Let me suggest that perhaps a life-long marriage is an unrealistic expectation, at least in American society. Americans are not encouraged to have a spiritual partner, but to find someone they approve of who approves of them in return. Think about it.


God Bless.

lightsearcher

05-05-2006 08:42:28

To me Dr. Dyer's message is this yes you can manifest miracles in your life but you cannot stop life from happening (and life includes everything and EVERYONE around us). However, if we have a strong faith in the Universe/ God/.....(fill the gap) then we move through suffering quicker and acceptance comes earlier.

We cannot stop suffering but we can stop it from taking over our lives (I confess I am not quite there yet). I've seen this in people who have a strong faith.

For example, a person like Dr. Dyer will have spent most of his life in harmony with God, therefore when he looks back he sees a lot of bliss. For some of us, me included, the past might have filled with lots of grief that could have been avoided if we were connected to the higher source. Add to that the grief THAT COULD NOT be avoided (say death of a loved one) and you have a lifetime of misery.

hypovex

27-06-2006 19:02:16

I know this post is old, I just stumbled upon it through various google searches. With regard to Toni Collin's (erroneous) remarks I'd say 2 things

1. No amount of will or intention is going to change that we (Dr. Dyer included) are human beings, with human organs, and human biological failures. It's not a matter of "if", but "when" our bodies start to go kaput. I think they read further into his words than he does.

2. No amount of our own will, intention, or meditation is going to keep someone around who doesn't want to be there. We can't will for others, only ourselves.

hypovex

27-06-2006 19:19:18

Some of the previous posts here (over 2 years) have suggested that somehow his 'divorce', if that is what happened ultimately with Marcie, was a failure.

I'm probably flying way off on a tangent here, but...

I don't know that I would see divorce as a "failure" per se than a passage. How about couples that have been together for decades (usually out of some sense of obligation to children or the institution of marriage itself) and miserable. Is that a success? If you define "success" as receiving the intended results of a given action, I don't think they ever planned this for themselves. Not very "successful" in my book.

A divorce is what it is. A seperation on the basis of irreconcilable differences. That's not a failure. That's just change. Everybody has different values that are subject to change on a moment's notice and they are not always compatible with the people they share their lives with.

jkerr3

30-08-2006 01:53:50

In the late 1970's I was introduced to Dr. Wayne Dyer's book "Your Erroneous Zones" while I was out of high school for a few months with emotional difficulties. I saw how I could take control of my own emotions and not feel guilty anymore for the way I was feeling. Long story short, his philosphies and teachings whether originally his own, or borrowed and exanded upon, have been quite instrumental in keeping me grounded and balanced for most of my life. He is an amazing indivdual who is extremely gifted. Hearing about his divorce only gives me added strength to know that he too has gone through what I have unfortunately had to go through. However, I can say that so much growth has come from my divorce. Perhaps the same will be true of Dr. Dyer. He has helped me through the late 70's, the 80's, the 90's, and still today. He was a true inspiration to me to want to help change the world when I took Psychology as my major in college. I am still on my path, based on that same concept. Onward Dr. Dyer. You are a diamond in the rough! A true gem that shines!

JHAndrews

16-10-2006 14:18:52

I find Toni Collins comment to be both closeminded and judgemental. As anyone who has spent anytime with Dr. Dyer's material fully knows, miracles are not defined as Christmas presents. Miracles are the choices we make in our lives and how we choose to respond to the events in them. The miracle is that we can create our life by defining our responses. Dr. Dyer's response to this devastating event in anyone's life is a testimony to his work and a powerful validation of the truth contained in his teachings. As someone who is divorced and now remarried (and very happily) I have sense of the pain involved though I did not have children involved - thankfully. In my eyes, Dr. Dyer's divorce does not diminish his teachings or contributions - it enhances them.