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Self-indulgent ‘What’s on your reading list” thread

Anonymous

23-11-2004 10:09:14

Hello,
I just discovered this forum. Kudos to Mr. Chris Knight! My purpose for posting is to compare notes with users about how they arrived at the point where they absolutely believe that Dyer’s message represents truth. For me, it was a systematic breaking down of ego-obstacles through reading. I think every man finds security in his knowledge of reality. When he finds his conception of reality challenged, he does one of two things – fights to reassert his beliefs as the absolute truth, or lets go and begins a life-long process to find truth. There can only be one objective, true reality. Either there are hidden metaphysical variables that we rarely see and seldom understand, or this idea is nonsense. I had many years of being presented with peculiarities and pronouncing them as “nonsense”, “nonsense”, “nonsense”. I think I finally got tired of trying to control my reality and I simply let go. Instead of reading books that confirmed my beliefs, I read books that countered them. I followed threads from one book to another that led me to some remarkable thinkers and amazing theories of the true nature of reality. Along the way I had a really brief, strange dream that seemed to connect to a metaphysical reality that was completely foreign to me- and therefore offered confirmation that I was on the right track. Once I had accepted the notion that “reality is not as it seems”, I was ready to start trying to put all the pieces together and figure out where I fit in to this cosmic game. It’s at this point that I discovered Wayne Dyer.

Anyway here’s a list of some of the books that guided me here as well as some that will take me beyond.

Have read (past year)
Social and Cultural Dynamics – Pitirim Sorokin


The Education of Henry Adams – Henry Adams

The Ways and Power of Love Types, Factors, and Techniques of Moral Transformation – Pitirim Sorokin

Unlimited Love Altruism, Compassion, and Service -Stephen Post

Mont Saint Michel and Chartres –Henry Adams

The Nature of Consciousness The Structure of Reality Theory of Everything Equation Revealed Scientific Verification and Proof of Logic God Is - Jerry Davidson Wheatley

Unified Reality Theory The Evolution of Existence into Experience -Steven Kaufman

The Nag Hammadi Library in English

The Essential David Bohm

Holographic Universe - Michael Talbot

Power vs Force The Hidden Determinants of Human Behavior (read prior to reading anything by Wayne)

Awakening to Zero Point The Collective Initiation - Gregg Braden

The Ending of Time – David Bohm & Jiddu Krishnamurti


Currently reading
Emile Or, On Education - Jean Jacques Rousseau

Thought As a System –David Bohm

Next on the list
Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark Amazing Revelations of the Incredible Power of Gold –Laurence Gardner

I’d be interested to see what others are reading. . .

Ron

24-11-2004 11:05:17

Lorin - an impressive list of books - but which ones of Wayne's have you read? It appears that some of your books are focused on what might be out there instead of what is alread within?

Namaste - Ron

Anonymous

24-11-2004 11:31:39

Lorin - an impressive list of books - but which ones of Wayne's have you read?

None. Listened to

The Secrets of the Power of Intention
There is a Spiritual Solution to Every Problem
Meditations for Manifesting
It's Never Crowded Along the Extra Mile

All of these were Audible audiobook downloads. I listen to a different audio book about every 1-2 days. I'm *blessed* (note the positive spin!) to have a job where I don't have to think very much and can therefore listen all day long . . .

It appears that some of your books are focused on what might be out there instead of what is alread within?

Namaste - Ron
"Out there" is only a quantumly entangled sub-atomic particle away from "in here". The Kingdom is within you. wink I would recommend The Holographic Universe to anyone who's a fan of Wayne’s work. There are some "extreme" examples of manifestation in there. A very easy read also.

Ron

24-11-2004 12:47:07

Or should I say 'listening' list. I strongly recommend you read at least one of Dyer's books - "There's a Spiritual Solution to Every Problem." Why read instead of listening? In reading any book, there is within a message just for you. I can read the same words and get a meaning just for me, while you may read those words and get nothing. Then again, I may go back to that book and read something I didn't even notice the first time. Try it at least once.

As for the other books you have listed all of them pertain to one theory or another - what someone believes to be the way it was or is. Such as Dr. Sorokin going back over history to show something today. Dyer would tell you that the past neve happened, and if we go to those thoughts, we simply choose to live there instead of living in the present moment. And other books reflect scientific and technoligal theories - things of this world we make. And then there is the seven aspects of love. Dyer will tell you in his book that Love is complete and whole of Itself. There are no aspects of Love. And another book is about reasoned arguments for "unlimited Love." Dyer states that you cannot reason with ego over anything - everything with ego is always unreasonable because ego has no logivc. "Unlimited Love" could be seen as Unconditional Love - the Love God has for each of us, and the Love that we can give to others. And another book on your list states that we should not believe anything without first verifying it with reality. Reality is not of the world we make. Reality is our truth. There is nothing in our world that could be verified with reality, as nothing in our world is real.

Please take no offense from my post. Your post was a lesson for me.

Namaste - Ron

Anonymous

24-11-2004 14:14:10

Or should I say 'listening' list. I strongly recommend you read at least one of Dyer's books - "There's a Spiritual Solution to Every Problem." Why read instead of listening?

Understand - I listen to audio books when I cannot read (e.g. -from 8-5 M-F). I read actual books at home every night from 530 until I go to bed. (I don't even know if my TV still works! shock )

all of them pertain to one theory or another - what someone believes to be the way it was or is. Such as Dr. Sorokin going back over history to show something today. Dyer would tell you that the past neve happened, and if we go to those thoughts, we simply choose to live there instead of living in the present moment.

I think Dyer's point is that one's personal past should not dictate the possibilities of their present reality. This is much different from saying that one doesn't really need to study history. Yes, I believe that reality may be much more pliable than modern science admits. An enlightened collective consciousness could spontaneously manifest a new reality - free of war, crime, poverty, etc. We're not to that point yet, so we can examine the trends and cycles apparent in history to understand the trajectory of our society.

And other books reflect scientific and technoligal theories - things of this world we make. And then there is the seven aspects of love. Dyer will tell you in his book that Love is complete and whole of Itself. There are no aspects of Love. And another book is about reasoned arguments for "unlimited Love." Dyer states that you cannot reason with ego over anything - everything with ego is always unreasonable because
ego has no logivc.

Right now you are reasoning with me about the inadequacy of concepts that don't exactly mirror the language of Mr. Dyer. In the end, it is all semantics. "Unlimited Love" is simply one author's concept of ego-free, altruistic love. Should we waste energy arguing over who uses the best language to arrive at a conclusion that in the end, is exactly the same? Just like every other author, Dyer must use language to convey meaning - even when speaking about love. You did not receive his message via telepathy. Is it possible to have an experience like those described by St. John of the Cross and other masters who "connected with the source"? I believe so, yes. Can I simply walk up to someone and create the experience for them by saying, "Experience the absolute Love of God . . . now" No. Dyer, et. all must use language, reason and concepts to convey to their readers that such a profound experience is possible. It's then up to the individual to "experience for himself" through the hard work of ego dissolution via meditation.

Please take no offense from my post. Your post was a lesson for me.

None taken. Please take none from my reply. Discussing ideas is why I am here! I will take your advice and read an actual Wayne Dyer paper book sometime soon! wink

gentlegiant

24-11-2004 23:23:34

Wow, Lorin! Impressive list. Especially for only in the last year. I think it’s great that you use your free time to expand your awareness. I too, no longer have time for TV. Since you seem to have so much "free time", perhaps you are ready to go to the next step in your spiritual journey - that of actually manifesting (not that you aren’t)! Don't get me wrong. I listen to CD's while driving, and read books in my spare time, as I think they help keep me connected in a more aware way with Source. But I am actively turning off the CD player and putting down the books to practice “intentional creation.” It does wonders for my sense of well-being (joy, happiness), and provides tangible results in my life.

I mostly agree with you rather than Ron. What difference does it make what you read as long as it gets you to the point of awareness. I will agree with Ron, that for the average person, not genuinely looking for awareness of a spiritual path, some of these books could boost rather than diminish the ego, or reason (if I am understanding what they are through his comments). What I find interesting in your list is two-fold

1. How you decided to read what you read. What got you started. I’ve never heard of most of these books, but you can believe I will at least check them out. I, too, believe that the world of quantum mechanics and the spirit world are inseparably connected, as does WD.
2. That my list is sooo much different than yours…but essentially both lists led us to the awareness we have today.
My list covers a few decades, not just a year, but led me to the place where today. I am in a place of well-being virtually all the time…although the biggest jump to that space came after reading and listening to seminars about WD’s “Power of Intention”, and most recently, “Ask and it is Given, Learning to Manifest Your Desires” , the teachings of Abraham, by Esther & Jerry Hicks (WD wrote the forward). These two books, along with accompanying tapes/CDs, are what I consider the foremost works on spiritual manifesting available today. (from my somewhat limited perspective).

I came from a background of being raised as a Lutheran, and then being “born again” into fundamentalist Christianity. So I have a strong biblical background. When I could’t get reasonable answers to some of my most basic questions I started searching elsewhere. One of the first series of books I read was

Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East (6 Vol. Set) by Baird T. Spalding

It was eye opening (third), to be sure. Another set of eye openers, read shortly after were

Unveiled Mysteries and The Magic Presence by Godfre Ray King. See www.saintgermainfoundation.org

And
Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda

I was hooked! Life would never be the same. I became a spiritual seeker, finding a whole new world (or dimension)!

Shortly thereafter I became involved in Unity Churches and read several great books published by them

Spiritual Economics The Principles and Process of True Prosperity - Eric Butterworth

Lessons in Truth - H. Emilie Cady

The Twelve Powers - Charles and Cora Fillmore

Discover the Power Within You A Guide to the Unexplored Depths Within - Eric Butterworth

All good and still very appropriate for today.

But, alas, even Unity was too limiting (the church, not the books), so I struck out on my own again and read several more books over the next few years (not in chronological order)

Jonathan Livingston Seagull
Illusions The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah
The Bridge Across Forever A Lovestory
One
Running from Safety An Adventure of the Spirit
All by Richard Bach. All novels, but all very spiritually oriented. What a great author.

Also several by Dan Millman
Sacred Journey of the Peaceful Warrior
The Laws of Spirit Simple, Powerful Truths for Making Life Work What a wonderful, simple book!
Everyday Enlightenment The Twelve Gateways to Personal Growth

There was Deepak Chopra. Several, but the most meaningful to me were
Ageless Body, Timeless Mind The Quantum Alternative to Growing Old
How to Know God The Soul's Journey Into the Mystery of Mysteries
The Daughters of Joy An Adventure of the Heart

Also
The Celestine Prophecy by James Redfield

You Can Heal Your Life by Louise L. Hay

The Four Agreements A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom by Don Miguel Ruiz

Jesus CEO Using Ancient Wisdom for Visionary Leadership by Laurie Beth Jones

Embraced by the Light by Betty J. Eadie

Power of Silence by Carlos Castaneda

The Great Wing A Parable by Louis A. Tartaglia

ONE DAY MY SOUL JUST OPENED UP 40 DAYS AND 40 NIGHTS TOWARD SPIRITUAL STRENGTH AND PERSONAL GROWTH by Iyanla Vanzant

The Dark Side of the Light Chasers Reclaiming Your Power, Creativity, Brilliance, and Dreams by Debbie Ford

Power vs. Force The Hidden Determinants of Human Behavior by David R. Hawkins

This list is certainly not comprehensive, but represent the most meaningful books on my journey.

Sometime during the latter part of this journey, around 1996, I found some books that helped me make a quantum leap in my awareness. I was being spoken to with a clarity that made my heart sing. These were

Conversations with God An Uncommon Dialogue (Book 1), Conversations With God An Uncommon Dialogue (Book 2), Conversations With God An Uncommon Dialogue (Book #3)
and especially Friendship with God An Uncommon Dialogue, all by Neale Donald Walsch.

I was mesmerized. I was led to start meditating on a regular basis after reading Friendship with God. My life started to get more stable. These, along with a few of the later books from above, kept me busy for a few years, re-reading them over and over.

Then, earlier this year, I happened to catch Wayne Dyer on PBS as I was channel surfing. I was hooked again! I bought "the whole enchilada" and spent the next several months devouring the material, over and over again. What a difference he has made in my life. Suddenly, I began to really understand what life is all about. WD helped me, with real world tools, to begin to think from the end.

Then, again, a wonderful breakthrough. I found out about a book for which WD wrote the forward
Ask And It Is Given Learning To Manifest Your Desires by Jerry Hicks, Esther Hicks, Abraham

As Wayne says in the forward “This book is unique in all of publishing -- you will be fortunate enough to tap into the thinking of those who are permanently connected to source energy.... This "source energy" has a look and a feel to it that I have touched upon in The Power of Intention. Abraham however, can offer this enlightening wisdom to you by having the benefit of being 100% connected to that source and never ever doubting that connection -- it is evident in every paragraph of this book. This is why I call this a publishing milestone.”

This book, along with accompanying CDs/tapes, and WD's Power of Intention, has taken me far along the path to "intentional creation", in a relatively short time.

As to your comment An enlightened collective consciousness could spontaneously manifest a new reality - free of war, crime, poverty, etc. We're not to that point yet, so we can examine the trends and cycles apparent in history to understand the trajectory of our society.
Neale Donald Walsch has a new book out that might be worth your reading. I just started it
Tomorrow's God Our Greatest Spiritual Challenge

Namaste

Anonymous

25-11-2004 10:40:26

And
Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda

I was hooked! Life would never be the same. I became a spiritual seeker, finding a whole new world (or dimension)!

I've run across the audio download of this book on audible several times. I think it's time that I check this one out! I noticed Power vs. Force on your list. Have you or anyone else read any of David Hawkin's other books; The Eye of The I or I Reality and Subjectivity? For some reason, shipping from Amazon takes 2-3 weeks! I usually order multiple items to save on shipping, so I've delayed buying these because they would slow down my other stuff. I need to just bite the bullet and buy them.

Then, again, a wonderful breakthrough. I found out about a book for which WD wrote the forward
Ask And It Is Given Learning To Manifest Your Desires by Jerry Hicks, Esther Hicks, Abraham

Thanks! A "must read" it seems. I will.

As to your comment An enlightened collective consciousness could spontaneously manifest a new reality - free of war, crime, poverty, etc. We're not to that point yet, so we can examine the trends and cycles apparent in history to understand the trajectory of our society.
Neale Donald Walsch has a new book out that might be worth your reading. I just started it
Tomorrow's God Our Greatest Spiritual Challenge

This book has been calling me for about two months now. It's sometimes hard to figure out whether or not the author is writing with an agenda - the intent to initiate some new, ego-driven "movement" or something. I guess I need to not "judge the book by its cover" and just read it. I'm especially interested if it explores the utilization of collective consciousness for a particular end. It's an interesting idea that has also been written about by authors like Gregg Braden. With the ending of the Mayan calendar in 8 years as well as other Native American prophesies that foresee an "end of days" approaching, there is much speculation that we could be facing the culmination of all Human endeavor in one spectacular metaphysical denouement. Going further with your comment

I, too, believe that the world of quantum mechanics and the spirit world are inseparably connected, as does WD.

I think it’s interesting to explore the idea of how our understanding of quantum mechanics might actually initiate this process. For instance, could we imagine that it’s possible Orbitly Rearranged Mono-atomic Elements, so called “stealth” atoms, might be the hidden ingredient in many of the "alternative medicine" cancer treatments/cures? Is it possible that using a chemical process reclaimed from the Ancients that takes a particular element into the “high-spin” state, we might effect a process in the human body that reactivates “junk DNA” as well as the “unused” portions of the brain and complete the enlightenment process in several months, not years? I’m open to the idea, as I think we all should be. Zen teacher Shinzen Young has also spoken about the possibility of using science to speed up the enlightenment process. Ingestible Enlightenment - Snake-oil? Maybe. But I like WD’s response to his mother after she admonishes him for being too gullible. He stresses the need for openness, admitting that if a new substance claimed to be a cure for hemorrhoids, he would commission it to be made into a chair. Anyway, thanks for the book recommendations. I’ll check them out.

Ron

27-11-2004 09:56:44

Donald A great list of some of my very favorite books. The books by Baird Spalding are probably at the top somewhere. I was absolutely spell bound in reading them, not so much for the content, but the fact that they were written in the late 1800's when "new-age" thinking was just coming out of its womb. Books by the Fillmores also came out shortly thereafter, and being a Unity person, I do enjoy them. Your whole list is extremely good material. Years ago, when Neal Donald Walsh wrote his first book, I was also spellbound by it. I read it many times and then many times more. Then his second book came out and I read and re-read that one. Then somewhere in that time, I started questioning what he was writing about and found that the god he mentions was not the God I was thinking about. My God did look down on my world and tell me how I should run it, what might be done to make it a better place, etc. My God did not talk about other spirits "out there." Nor did any of the other writers I have mentioned above, including Dyer. My God saw me as I was in Truth and saw nothing of the illusion I made I call my world. This was the difference in Walsh that turned me completely off of his works. And then I even started to judge him more than I had, and knew I could no longer read his writings.

Bach, Millman, Chopra, Vanzant, Reddfield, Hays, Ruiz, and even Hawkins write about a God within you. We all have our individual beliefs I know, and I accept them in others as well. I am also a student of the Course.
Reading is a passion for me and I usually will read what is placed in my hands and feels good - Barnes and Noble is my hangout - I pick up a book because I am drawn to it - and I know instantly whether I will read it or not. But then again, that is my way. I was never a fan of sci-fi and I believe it was because my imagination never could be stretch that far. And so it is with books about what might be out there. It is much easier for me to focus on what is within.

Namaste - Ron