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do you think this is possible

quingoff

12-11-2004 02:49:16

I believe I may have diabetes I have every single symptom listed here http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-symptoms.jsp and have scheduled a doctors appointment for this, how many believe that if I were to actually have diabetes that if I were tochange my entire thought process to I don't have diabetes etc. totally convince myself I didn't have it, or contemplate myself by the condtions I want to produce that the diabetes would go away? The if you belief in something so much it will happen scenerio. I am very curious. If you do believe in this do you have any hardcore facts for believing such a thing

Ron

12-11-2004 11:32:20

Your statement "if you belief in something so much it will happen scenerio" has me referring you to the life of Myrtle Fillmore - co-founder of the Unity Movement. You can find her story at the Unity Website. She was given but a few months to live with TB, in the spring of 1886, and heard at a meeting that she was "a child of God" and that one statement changed her thinking. She would sit in her room with an empty chair for "Jesus" and affirm that "I am a child of God and therefore I do not inherit sickness." She dies in 1931 completely cured of her "sickness." And then read about Charles Fillmore who had a "crippled" leg all of his life and yet eventually his leg healed also - it was always seen shorted than the other, and yet in his older years it no longer appeared that way and his limp was gone. These are just two examples - there are many more out there. If you read Wayne - truly read the words that are written for you - with an understanding that they are not the words of Wayne - you will grasp that as you think you are.

Did you ever once question the fact that "symptons" are but thoughts you hold in your mind and give great value to? But note that they are still thoughts and remain as thoughts. From these thoughts you then place a label of an illness and believe in the illness. But still the basic stem of all this is your thought.

This truly is your life to live and your life to lead - what choice will you make for you? How will you write your script for your life. And do not look upon a past for that has no meaing to you about what is now. Start from now and go to the next now and then the next. Stay in the moment!

Wayne writes a lot about manifesting - about intention - about your sacred self - about spiritual solutions - all of these have one common message - it all begins with a thought - your thought!

Namaste - Ron

Cathy

06-12-2004 18:46:32

Our body is no more than the house for our soul. Eventually all things succumb to ailments. If nature didnt take its course on your body nothing new would ever be able to enter our world because nothing old would ever leave. It is all part of our perfect universe.

That being said I do know for a fact that there are conditions in which our minds play a huge role in how our bodies react. A good mindset is always more powerful than a negative one.

There are also times when we need to rely on medical interventions and on medication as well as preventative means to avoid or to manage a condition.

A child who is born and becomes diabetic does not have the power within the mind to battle such a condition without intervention however a child can grow and become an adult who lives a healthy life with diabeties if they have the proper coping mechanisms in place.

Even Wayne has had medical ailments and conditions which were beyond his control, however he used them as learning tools to move forward on his journey through life.

My advice would be to watch your diet and use the meds if you need them, use your coping tools to stay strong and get you through this time.

Best of luck, Cathy

Ron

06-12-2004 19:04:23

Cathy wrote "Our body is no more than the house for our soul. Eventually all things succumb to ailments. If nature didnt take its course on your body nothing new would ever be able to enter our world because nothing old would ever leave. It is all part of our perfect universe."

Did you read this in a Dyer book? Our body is but a means of communication and soul or spirit is our reality. The body contains nothing. Your spirit, soul is formless, eternal and without limits. What comes to you comes to you via your own request - consciously or subconsciously. And what is nature? A perfect Universe would not create pain, suffering, illness and old age. All of them are our own doing - we beleive in what we have been told and so we react as we have been taught. There is no reason to get old - other than we think we are getting there, because since we can remember people have been telling we are getting older.

Everything - everything that happens to our body is first a thought in our mid - everything. "Physican heal thyself" is one of the best one-liner I can think of. We cause ourselves sickness by the thoughts we hold, and we can likewise cure ourselves by holding different thoughts. Taking medication is fine, but what does the curing - the medication or our belief that it will?

Namaste - Ron

Cathy

07-12-2004 06:26:48

Ron, yes I have read many of Wayne`s books which is why I am a fan. I have begun my enjoyment of his books with pulling your own strings. Remember that one...ha. wink Anyway if you read many of his books you would recognize that first and foremost he is a wonderful philosopher, however he too does not know the answers fully. He has done a lot of work and he has wonderful insight however much of what his workings are based on is life experiences and research he has done from many other scholars over time. His views have evolved just as mine have.

The most dangerous way to live your life is through the mind of another. I do not think he wrote his books in an attempt to tell you the way. I do not think he wants a blind following. What is more beneficial is to take it all in and to digest it and then use what makes sense and discard the rest.

His books are based on his theory and view of the world. And they are wonderful tools to teach spirituality and even coping with what life throws your way, however if you are mortal and my guess is that you are, then you will die one day of old age...if nothing else.

You can will things out of your world until your blue in the face, yet your body will one day die. If there were no death then there would be no room for life. It is a perfect universe. Without decomposition of dead things on earth, other things would not survive. It is the way and a perfect life only ends in death of the body and transformation of the soul if you believe that this is the end of one journey and a beginning of another.

I have epilepsy. I also have a cyst in my brain. I tried for many years to will it away and it went no where. Now I am on meds and in a wonderful mindset thanks to many of Wayne`s inspirational tools that I have used. I am enjoying life, yet I know I need the meds to stay safe.

Remember even he had a heart attack. He did not will all illness out of his world, instead he absorbed what was happening to him and learned from this experience to further his insight. I now know I am mortal and no matter what I do someday I will die. I am not afraid however of death, I am just enjoying life until my soul moves along on its journey away from my mortal life.

The biggest lesson I have learned in life is that we all have the same capacity for greatness in different forms. We are also given the capacity to learn and understand differently. To follow the teachings of one person without question and to follow because one says so can lead to danger. Use your mind as well as his teachings to develope your knowledge and you will be much further ahead in the long run.

Have a great day, Cathy )

Cathy

07-12-2004 06:30:37

Ron you also said "A perfect Universe would not create pain, suffering, illness and old age. All of them are our own doing - we beleive in what we have been told and so we react as we have been taught. There is no reason to get old - other than we think we are getting there, because since we can remember people have been telling we are getting older."

I pose you this question to ponder on your own.... If there were no pain and if there were no suffering, how then would there be good? Would we recognize good without evil? Would we understand youth without old age? All things must have an opposite to make sense in our universe. It is just part of the journey.

Ron

07-12-2004 09:34:11

Yes, Cathy, I remember that book well and enjoy re-reading it often. One part fromt the introduction states

"Each person's life is unique, separated from every other life in the true experiential since. No one else can live your life, feel what you feel, get into your body and experience the world as you do. This is the only life you get, and it is too precious to let others take their own advantage of it. It is only logical that you should determine how you are going to function, and your functioning ought to bring you the joy and fulfillment of "pulling your own strings" rather than the pain and misery of victimization."

As I read and re-read Wayne's books, I noticed one thing, and perhaps that is the one thing that brings me back to his books he gives me no answers, but the answers I seek are often within his books. His books are tools to be used on our spiritual path - they themselves are not a path. The work he has done on himself is often an inspiration to many, but only an inspiration.

And he does often tell us in his books to take what we appear to need at the moment and leave the rest. And that is true for any book we read.

You wrote "And they are wonderful tools to teach spirituality and even coping with what life throws your way, however if you are mortal and my guess is that you are, then you will die one day of old age...if nothing else."

Within Wayne's books are the messages I have asked for. Wayne, himself, will tell you that he is often in awe of what he wrote because the words are not his - he just writes what comes into his mind. What "life throws my way" is what I have tossed out there in life to come back to me. Wayne writes much from easter philosophers who did not see themselves as these mortal bodies we believe in. This body is not who I am. I am a child of God. I am an eternal being. And this is true for everyone. And death is but an experience of this illusion, albeit the last one. This illusion begins with a birth and ends with a death. And in between we experience a life we have scripted to live. We are the writer, director, star and extra's in it.

The journey we are on had no beginning and has no ending. We have forever been.

You wrote "To follow the teachings of one person without question and to follow because one says so can lead to danger. Use your mind as well as his teachings to develope your knowledge and you will be much further ahead in the long run."

There is no one person to follow, nor one teaching to hold. We have but to remember the Truth of who we are. The mind is all that exists. Everything else is a projection of thoughts we hold in the mind. There is no "farther ahead" to be except to be present in the moment.

Thank you, Cathy, for your thought provoking statements. You, too, are a good teacher.

Namaste - Ron