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JJ Moore

14-12-2004 13:13:02

Hi,

I am a fan of Dr. Dyer, and agree with his message.

Dr. Dyer says,

" Don't tell people about your history (past), and then you won't have to live up to it."

Feels like I am on the right path.

Ron

19-12-2004 10:12:35

JJ wrote "" Don't tell people about your history (past), and then you won't have to live up to it."

You have been on your right path all along. You experienced the many fears while you were searching for what was before you all along. It took no more than for you to change your mind about who you thought you were - you dropped your past. And here you are in all the glory you have forever been. Welcome home JJ.

Namaste - Ron

JJ Moore

20-12-2004 09:24:50

Hi,

Thank you for those sweet words, Ron.

Choices are made for us, and at the same time we are making choices.

Thank you,

JJ

Ron

20-12-2004 12:37:49

JJ - what do you mean by "choices are made for us"? Please explain. Who besides you makes a choice for you?

Namaste - Ron

JJ Moore

20-12-2004 15:17:26

A good explaination comes from
Deepak Chopra "THE BOOK OF SECRETS"

Our lives have been written, that is what being on purpose is.
As these choices have already been made for us, we also are making them at the same time.

As Dr. Wayne Dyer states " We are the protagonist, as well as the spear carriers or extras, in this drama.

"LIFE CAN ONLY BE UNDERSTOOD BACKWARDS;
BUT IT MUST BE LIVED FORWARD." Soren Kierkegaard

JJ

Ron

20-12-2004 15:26:21

Okay so that's what Deepak says - what does that mean to you? If your choices are already made, what is it that you do? And who is responsible for the life you believe you are living? And did you notice that Chopra and Dyer are not really saying the same thing here? Do you believe that you are the writer, director, star and all extras in the drama you are projecting called life? You get to call the shots in this drama.

Namaste - Ron

chris knight

20-12-2004 15:45:42

Dr. Dyer says,

" Don't tell people about your history (past), and then you won't have to live up to it."

From Jesse (West Coast Chopper) "When all else fails, destroy all evidence that proved you tried."

It's humor...

Anyway, I've learned that what really matters in life is the present moment and future intentions.

The past can not be changed, therefore it's not relevant to the present or future.

You are timeless...perfect... just the way you are.

JJ Moore

21-12-2004 08:25:14

Ron Says
Okay so that's what Deepak says - what does that mean to you? If your choices are already made, what is it that you do? And who is responsible for the life you believe you are living? And did you notice that Chopra and Dyer are not really saying the same thing here? Do you believe that you are the writer, director, star and all extras in the drama you are projecting called life? You get to call the shots in this drama.

ROW, ROW, ROW YOUR BOAT,
GENTLY DOWN THE STREAM
MERRILY, MERRILY, MERRILY, MERRILY
LIFE IS BUT A DREAM

OR

WHERE DID YOU COME FROM, BABY DEAR ?
OUT OF EVERYWHERE INTO HERE.

Chris Knight writes

Anyway, I've learned that what really matters in life is the present moment and future intentions.

The past can not be changed, therefore it's not relevant to the present or future.

You are timeless...perfect... just the way you are.

I have always liked the analogy of the wake.

love, JJ

Glee

22-12-2004 20:26:56

We have a hard time with the concept of fate, roll or of a Celestial Being who knows what we are going to do before we do it.

According to physicists, time is not a constant - it is relative to the speed of everything in our three dimensional space and is considered the fourth dimension. It does not exist by itself, but is just another point in the universe depending on who is there to experience it. ? For instance, if you wanted to meet someone for lunch, you would give coordinates to the three physical dimensions - the address and which floor - and you would give the fourth dimensional coordinate, too; the exact moment that you would be there.

"Spirit" in every religion is usually seen as being present IN every speck of the universe, but is not OF it; that Spirit is eternal and existed before the universe, and will after it disappears. To such a being, time would not be experienced one slice at a time, as we three dimensional beings do. Time would be seen in its entirety, as the other three dimensions are.

All the possible choices we could make would also be seen in their entirety. Each choice we make would impact all the other humans around us, and all their subsequent choices would be seen in all their infinite variations as well. We would therefore have the freedom to make every choice we want, BUT, each choice would set up a whole new situation for us and the people around us as well. And Spirit would see it all, whole. Amazing. shock

Dr. Dyer says, "You are not a human being having a spiritual experience, you are a spiritual being having a human experience."

The person we usually consider "me", our ego, is a function of our physical brain. It came into being when we were conceived, and will cease to function when our brain dies. The real "me" is the still small voice within us; that guides us by gut feelings and bursts of insight. The real "me" is your Spirit - which like all Spirit, sees all that could be, has been, and IS. Our mission in life is to change our perspective from living in the "me" of our ego, to living in the "I AM" of our Spirit.

Real hard to do - been trying now for five years, and am starting to get the hang of it more and more, but dang it, it's HARD to stay there!

Had a really difficult first half of my life, made some horrendous choices, too, and also found myself in horrendous situations I did NOT choose. cry But I can look back now and see how it all hangs together and makes a sad sort of sense - it's all of a pattern.

WELL. Lots of folks make it to 100 these days, so I hope the second half of my life turns out better. Dr. Dyer has really helped, along with a great many other enlightened people, to give me a totally new perspective.

Hang in there, friend, I hope you continue to find answers that make sense to you and help you on your journey! Namaste! wink Glee

JJ Moore

23-12-2004 09:08:36

Very, Very well put. Beautiful, Thank You Glee.

Choices, some we make for ourselves, or do we ? And at the same time these choices are made for us ?

Go with the flow.

Do we decide when we die ?

To stop breathing?

To stop thinking ?

Do you make all the choices ? What about relationships with others, sometimes we do things we would not necessarily do, but we do them out of kindness.

" It's better to choose to be kind, than to be right." ? Dr. Phil (lol)

" If you do not get it from youself,
Where will you go for it."

wizdumb

23-12-2004 12:40:26

Ron writes
And did you notice that Chopra and Dyer are not really saying the same thing here?

Does it really matter if they are saying the same thing or not ?

No need to offend or defend.

Interesting way of phrasing that sentence Ron, (notice).

Who is noticing the noticer.

Chris writes
From Jesse (West Coast Chopper) "When all else fails, destroy all evidence that proved you tried."

Being from the east coast, more of an Orange County Chopper fan. (Yo Paulie)

Thanks, Yuz Guyz

gentlegiant

24-12-2004 18:38:23

Glee wrote
The person we usually consider "me", our ego, is a function of our physical brain. It came into being when we were conceived, and will cease to function when our brain dies. The real "me" is the still small voice within us; that guides us by gut feelings and bursts of insight. The real "me" is your Spirit - which like all Spirit, sees all that could be, has been, and IS. Our mission in life is to change our perspective from living in the "me" of our ego, to living in the "I AM" of our Spirit.
I love your post, especially this part on ego and the 'real' me. I would add that, in addition to the intuitive guidance and 'bursts of insight' we get from our 'real' me, Spirit also guides us through our emotions. Our feelings are the 'language of the Soul'. As WD says, "I want to feel good". If we feel good, we are getting those feelings from our Spirit which is telling us that we are on the path to creating our desires (which could be “living in the ‘I AM’ of our Spirit”).

Glee wrote
Real hard to do - been trying now for five years, and am starting to get the hang of it more and more, but dang it, it's HARD to stay there!
If we can focus on beingness (thinking, doing, being) that makes us feel good, “living in the ‘I AM’ of our Spirit” isn't so hard. On the other hand, thinking that it is hard, brings (or keeps) that as our now experience.

Glee wrote
Had a really difficult first half of my life, made some horrendous choices, too, and also found myself in horrendous situations I did NOT choose. But I can look back now and see how it all hangs together and makes a sad sort of sense - it's all of a pattern.

WELL. Lots of folks make it to 100 these days, so I hope the second half of my life turns out better. Dr. Dyer has really helped, along with a great many other enlightened people, to give me a totally new perspective.
About the horrendous choices you did NOT choose. You did, otherwise they would not have shown up in your life. You are creating your life through your thoughts, words, and actions, pre-paving it so to speak, so that as you walk into your NOW, your path is pre-paved with thoughts that you have sent out to the Universe, which have then attracted other like thoughts, and come back to you in your now.

If you were able to 'be' that ‘real’ you that sees the whole, as you so eloquently put it, you would know that you made those choices and how you created them in your experience. You would also see that it made perfect sense, including the sadness that was, or is, your experience. You would also see that YOU sent yourself the feeling of sadness (NOT feeling good) to guide you into different thoughts, words, and actions that could make you feel good.

Hope really has nothing to do with how the second half of your life will turn out. Intentional versus unconscious creation will make the rest of your life turn out exactly as you choose it.

Thanks for your insights into time and ego. They helped me to a new level of understanding.

Namaste,

gentlegiant

24-12-2004 18:59:54

JJ wrote
Go with the flow. Yes. Let go and let God, prefer what is occurring, experience what is as perfect.

Do we decide when we die ? To stop breathing? Same thing and yes. I choose what to eat, drink, whether to exercise or not, what to think or not. I am creating the moment I die through these things. My 'real' Self, as Glee puts it, knows when this moment is.

To stop thinking ? Yes. When we stop thinking and start Being, we are enlightened, an avatar.

Do you make all the choices ? What about relationships with others, sometimes we do things we would not necessarily do, but we do them out of kindness. " It's better to choose to be kind, than to be right." Dr. PhilYes. Notice the word choose in Dr. Phil's quote.

You always choose...everything that has occurred or will occur in your life.

Namaste,

Glee

24-12-2004 22:30:08

Donald wrote
About the horrendous choices you did NOT choose. You did, otherwise they would not have shown up in your life. You are creating your life through your thoughts, words, and actions, pre-paving it so to speak, so that as you walk into your NOW, your path is pre-paved with thoughts that you have sent out to the Universe, which have then attracted other like thoughts, and come back to you in your now.

Well, I did not choose for my parents to divorce and move to opposite ends of the country when I was 5, or for me to be left behind in a religious boarding school where I was beaten daily, or for my father to drop out of my life forever, or for my mother to marry three other abusive alchoholics, the last one who killed her, or to be left to raise my little brother alone.

But I did choose to get pregnant as a teen and become an alchoholic myself and get myself into a series of abusive relationships of my own. Like I said, it all hangs together - but I do not believe that young children are capable of attracting such horror into their lives. Some things are not of our making. Our relationships are part of the whole of our life journey, and we must deal with the choices of those others. I do believe that Karma evens out in the long run. Intention is a good thing. Hope is also a good thing. I don't see where they are mutually exclusive, do you?

The words of an enlightened leader are good for us to use as stepping stones in our journeys. They are not an end to themselves. We help each other along the way, and the way never ends............ Glee

Glee

24-12-2004 22:50:33

Donald wrote
I love your post, especially this part on ego and the 'real' me. I would add that, in addition to the intuitive guidance and 'bursts of insight' we get from our 'real' me, Spirit also guides us through our emotions. Our feelings are the 'language of the Soul'. As WD says, "I want to feel good". If we feel good, we are getting those feelings from our Spirit which is telling us that we are on the path to creating our desires (which could be “living in the ‘I AM’ of our Spirit”).

I hesitate to use the word "emotions", because so many of our "positive" emotions do not spring from our spirit, but from our lower chakras. Feeling good can happen when we triumph over another, or when we are high on substances, or when we acquire something special, or when we are the center of attention, or when our physical hungers are momentarily satisfied. I feel positively giddy when I am successfully performing on stage. The rush of energy I feel is not discernably different from the rush of bliss I sometimes feel in the satoric moments following meditation.

"Feeling good" is not an accurate guide for me in knowing if I am on track in living in Spirit. Can you explain your own experiences with this for me? Thanks for your insight! Glee

gentlegiant

26-12-2004 09:43:41


Well, I did not choose for my parents to divorce and move to opposite ends of the country when I was 5, or for me to be left behind in a religious boarding school where I was beaten daily, or for my father to drop out of my life forever, or for my mother to marry three other abusive alcoholics, the last one who killed her, or to be left to raise my little brother alone.

...but I do not believe that young children are capable of attracting such horror into their lives. Some things are not of our making.
Glee, before I offer an opinion on this (and opinions are all that I have written here), I have a question for you. I assume you believe that you are an eternal Being...that you always have been and always will be...that you are part of the eternal Now. Am I correct?

Glee wrote
Intention is a good thing. Hope is also a good thing. I don't see where they are mutually exclusive, do you?
No, I don't. I just see that hope is passive, while intention is active (again, only my opinion).

Namaste,

gentlegiant

26-12-2004 11:14:01

I hesitate to use the word "emotions", because so many of our "positive" emotions do not spring from our spirit, but from our lower chakras. Feeling good can happen when we triumph over another, or when we are high on substances, or when we acquire something special, or when we are the center of attention, or when our physical hungers are momentarily satisfied. I feel positively giddy when I am successfully performing on stage. The rush of energy I feel is not discernibly different from the rush of bliss I sometimes feel in the satoric moments following meditation.

"Feeling good" is not an accurate guide for me in knowing if I am on track in living in Spirit. Can you explain your own experiences with this for me? Thanks for your insight! Glee
Are not our lower chakras part of our whole Being...and therefore perfect? I can certainly agree with you that "good" feelings from our lower chakras can be defined as "bad" in our dualistic world. In reality, as there is no good or bad, they are perfect...and therefore they can be of service in helping you grow.

We are all evolving from different levels of Beingness. If I am feeling bad, I use memories of feeling good to get me back on track. If I choose to use an experience of “triumphing over another” to get me back to feeling good, then I am certainly evolving from a different place than if I choose an experience of helping another being through a rough experience, but I am still evolving.

Our emotions guide us by letting us know that we are on track to manifesting our desires, whether they are material or spiritual, if we feel good. If we feel bad, our emotions let us know that the thoughts we are thinking will manifest themselves as something we do not desire. When I feel bad, as soon as I recognize it, I think about a memory I have that made me feel good, in as much detail as possible, and if necessary, another and another, until I am feeling good without having to work at it. Does it really matter, what the good feeling experience was, as long as it gets us off the bad feelings? If we are feeling bad, we will manifest whatever we are thinking about that we do not desire. We must. It is Universal Law – the Law of Attraction, which states, "that which is like unto itself is drawn". If you use virtually any of the feelings you describe above to get you off the thought that is causing you to feel bad, it benefits you by keeping you from manifesting in your life that which you do not want.

As we intentionally manifest something into our experience, whether it is material or spiritual, we evolve. Our next desire, will be a ‘higher’ desire, and so on. Most of us manifest ‘sameness’ into our lives because that is what we dwell on. We think about what is going on in our lives and why it is that way, and what we can do to change it, when the only way to change it is by not giving it a second thought. That’s why it is so hard, as you put it earlier, to stay living at the level of Spirit.

If we will let Spirit guide us through intuition, insight, and emotions, we will get to a place where it is easier to change, because as we begin to dwell on some sameness in our lives that causes us to feel bad, we recognize it, and change to a thought that makes us feel good, thereby drawing our “good” or “higher” desires into manifestation. Many human beings are not so good at intuition or insight, simply for lack of attention to it, but we all get it when we feel bad or when we feel good. Using those feelings as a guidance system will help us develop intuition and insight, and are the fastest way, for me at least, to get back on track to living a Spiritual life all the time (or at least more of the time). WD says feeling good is the same as feeling God (paraphased).

Glee, if, when you are feeling bad, you go back to the memory of feeling “positively giddy when you are successfully performing on stage", dwelling on it, even meditating on it, you will soon pass through the “valley of the shadow of death”, and feel good again, without having to work at it…and your evolution “to living in the "I AM" of your Spirit” will get easier and faster.

By the way, I am not familiar with the word satoric, as you used above, “The rush of energy I feel is not discernibly different from the rush of bliss I sometimes feel in the satoric moments following meditation". I thought I was going to learn something by looking it up, but I couldn’t find it. What do you mean by it?

Namaste,

chris knight

26-12-2004 11:33:55

By the way, I am not familiar with the word satoric, as you used above, “The rush of energy I feel is not discernibly different from the rush of bliss I sometimes feel in the satoric moments following meditation". I thought I was going to learn something by looking it up, but I couldn’t find it. What do you mean by it?


While I'm not certain, I am pretty sure Glee is referring to "SATORI."

http://wayne-dyer.inspiresyou.com/viewtopic.php?t=109

From Japanese Buddhism, the word satori means "realize."
Many consider the word to mean "enlightenment."
This calm state of realization can be reached by any meditation practice.
Dyer has referred to SATORI as an "Awakening..."

Glee

26-12-2004 12:41:29

LOL Chris, yes you are absolutely right - I was using "satori" as a root word and affixing a c to it without a clue as to whether it was right or wrong - sorry! Not having had much of a "formal" education, I tend to do that a lot, especially when I'm dashing things off - do that in coversation too, oops which is why my friends and family roll their eyes at me so much! My mouth and fingers can seldom keep up with my thoughts.

Donald, you are being of such great help to me! Yes, you are right, "hope" is passive. I have tended to be more hopeful than proactive in my life, which is, roll now that I think of it, why so many others have made the choices that determined my lifestyle.

I also appreciate your take on the lower chakras being perfect. The duality concepts we grew up with of "good" and "bad", as well as the religious concepts that we had to purge ourselves of our "natural man" in order to attain the kingdom of Heaven have been hard for my mind to rise above. twisted I still tend to see too much in terms of right and wrong rather than in achieving a harmonic wholeness with all of my organic/spiritual being. It's actually somewhat of relief to consider that "good feelings" are OK, no matter what their source.

I do know that I am an eternal being. However, - and here comes another "roll-the-eyes" statement, be warned - I have a different take on reincarnation that anyone else I have heard or read. Since time is a function of energy, and Spirit supercedes it, I do not see why our Spirit should be confined by the parameters of the movement of time.

In other words, why should we have to go from lifetime to lifetime in different bodies? How can Karma possibly work when we have to deal with different people and circumstances every cycle? Yes, there have been theories that entire societies are reincarnated together. But, somebody will always be left out. Only if EVERYBODY is reincarnated together can EVERYBODY's karma work out.

SO, I believe that we are NOT reincarnated in a temporally linear fashion. Since we are Spirit, we can enter into the time/space continuum at any point. I believe we live the SAME life in the SAME body as many times as we choose.

Physicists say that when we examine the tiniest particles of energy, we can determine their PLACE or their TIME, but not both. The more we attempt to see both, the more "blurred" the outcome is. At each moment in time, in fact, it appears as if every choice exists at once in a sort of "quantum foam". Then one reality is "chosen" and the rest "fall away".

What if they don't "fall away"? What if all possiblilities continue to exist, but that we can only perceive the one that is "chosen"?

I believe that there are infinite dimensions of reality, but that the three dimensional body we inhabit can only see the three dimensions we are in, plus the slice of the other dimensions (including time) we intersect at the moment. (Think "Flatland", or an MRI image).

With all that infinite amount of possiblilites to choose from, we could each live our lives thousands, millions, billions of times over if we choose. We would have a chance to work out our karmic relationships with the same people.

We are Spirits having a human experience. Our ego "me" is only aware of this one. But our Spirit "I AM" is having ALL human experience, because, being of God, it is not confined to three dimensions............

Yes, my miserable childhood could be the result of the karmic choices I made in previous go-throughs. I could be responsible for that. But it's hard to believe that ANY child deserves to have to deal with that.

Anyway, I don't think of myself as a sad person these days. D I don't get the blues anymore. And I don't know what it is to be bored - there are so many incredible insights hitting me between the eyest these days I am reeling with euphoria half the time. There isn't enough time to read all the incredible books that are flying off the shelves at me, and I am being kept awake half the night with creative ideas for my work.

I am so glad I found you great people at this terrific site. lol Please keep your comments coming! Glee

Glee

26-12-2004 13:34:54

oops JJ, I have gone and hijacked your introduction thread, and I am sorry. I notice you edited your initial intro, and I hope you didn't do that because you felt that it - or you - no longer mattered in this discussion. It absolutely does.

I responded to your into because I identified so strongly with what you said, and I wanted to applaud you for having the courage to accept ALL of who you are, and have been, and are becoming. I've spent a lot of my life in denial, putting bad things in my past in locked boxes in my memory. There used to be such gaps - I used to not be able to remember ANYTHING that happened during whole years of my childhood.

Through an incredible spiritual experience I had 4 years ago, I was able to approach those boxes with Spirit at my side and open them up, and find that the horrible demons I thought they contained were only sad dusty relics, many of them in the form of my parent's possessions (for instance, one was a Corning coffeepot my mother always kept on the stove no matter where we lived), which symbolized that much of what I feared were my assorted authority figures' opinions.

I have since learned to see my younger self with the compassion I would have for anybody else, and accept her whole. Please come back into the conversation - I would love to get to know you! Glee

gentlegiant

26-12-2004 14:46:24

oops JJ, I have gone and hijacked your introduction thread, and I am sorry. I notice you edited your initial intro, and I hope you didn't do that because you felt that it - or you - no longer mattered in this discussion. It absolutely does.

Please come back into the conversation - I would love to get to know you! Glee
JJ, I was thinking pretty much the same thing this morning. We did hijack your intro thread...tho' I think that's pretty cool. The things you and Ron were writing back and forth about led to one of the most lengthy intro threads on this forum. Anyone who can create that with their intro thread needs to be heard by all of us. As Glee asks, please come back into the conversation.

Namaste,

gentlegiant

26-12-2004 14:55:41

Through an incredible spiritual experience I had 4 years ago, I was able to approach those boxes with Spirit at my side and open them up...
Glee, If you are willing to share, I would love to hear about the spiritual experience that has brought you so far in such a short period of time.

gentlegiant

26-12-2004 14:59:53

While I'm not certain, I am pretty sure Glee is referring to "SATORI."

From Japanese Buddhism, the word satori means "realize."
Many consider the word to mean "enlightenment."
This calm state of realization can be reached by any meditation practice.
Dyer has referred to SATORI as an "Awakening..."

Thanks, Chris. As Glee as affirmed, this is exactly what she meant.

And Glee, I think Satoric is perfectly acceptable the way you used it.

Namaste,

gentlegiant

26-12-2004 15:40:52

Glee wroteI am being kept awake half the night with creative ideas for my work.
Glee, I think it's great that you are having such creative ideas for your work. You mentioned earlier about how you are "feeling positively giddy when you are successfully performing on stage". Again, If you are willing, I would love to hear about your work, your creative process, and how it works so well for you.

I believe, if we are 'of the Source', so to speak, that sleep isn't as important. Energy comes directly from Source, in meditation and other ways. Is that your experience?

Namaste,

Glee

26-12-2004 17:33:11

Oh my, Donald - you want to know what my work is? Pull up a chair - this could take a while LOL!

I was a high school grad that never made it to Mass. College of Art because I went and got myself pregnant - then did it again - 2 kids in 13 months! Did odd jobs to survive - painting holiday displays on store windows led to making signs and doing murals - billed myself as "The Odd Job Artist".

Taught myself to play guitar, so also started teaching simple guitar lessons, and that led to writing songs and doing Coffeehouses.

Went on to do paid gigs at area clubs - everything from James Taylor to Country to jazz (though I think the patrons were more impressed with my miniskirts than my singing ability LOL!)

That led to working for the area ARC as an activities director and Special Olympic coordinator - which led to me doing a lot of spots on the local radio station for volunteers - which led to me getting a daily talk show of my own. Got 2 weekly cable TV shows, too. Then the station manager decided we needed a kid's feature, and told me to come up with one.

So used old folk tales and my original music to do a nightly "Bedtime Story". Ran out of folk tales and started writing my own. Which led to me doing storytelling in schools and libraries and malls and festivals - which led to me becoming a performer and director at a large Renaissance Faire and doing some acting on the side.

Got tired of arguing all day with angry bigoted people on the radio, moved to another station where I did the news instead and ran production (commercials), and since it didn't pay much, started working as an activities director in a nursing home. That led to becoming an uncertified music therapist for a bunch of nursing homes, helping Alzheimer patients.

Hit 50 and quit life to find Life. Left radio. Took a job house/pet/kid sitting deep in the woods to pay the bills. No more mural painting. Cut back music therapy to one day a week. Do storytelling and music gigs only once in a while for special occasions.

Been writing. Wrote and illustrated 2 childrens books that are making the round of publishers as we speak. Then got thwacked with the idea for a grown-up story set in ancient Troy and the ideas are coming so fast and furious - plot twists, character developments - so multi-layered I get lost in it. Got piles of books I am researching - both local libraries are calling me regularly for their overdue books - and everywhere I turn I find MORE material!

Am so grateful God gave me many artistic talents - wish I felt I was fulfilling all of them, but have been pulled in so many directions I never feel I am. If I had ONE talent I would probably be a "star" by now, instead I am jack of all trades and master of none. What will I be when I grow up? I am STILL trying to figure that one out!

OK - you asked! Glee

Glee

26-12-2004 17:47:54

oops Forgot the reason I started that whole explanation - your question about creative energy! Yes - when I am "on", the energy flow is amazing. Do you experience that?

Good nights in a club, when the audience and I were grooving together, you could actually FEEL it, going back and forth between us, rising and falling with the music. Magic!

I feel that all the time doing music therapy - when I am able to connect with someone who no longer has the ability to speak, and I see her eyes come alive and focus on mine, and hear her sing "Let Me Call You Sweetheart" from beginning to end, every word, and see her pleasure and feel her hand squeeze mine in joy - nothing can compare!

And when I paint and it comes out right, and every stroke is exactly what I want and it all flows I can actually start feeling part of it, and it is part of me, and we are bigger than both of us and touch Spirit, too!

Storytelling with spellbound 5 year olds, them breathless with anticipation, waiting, waiting, then erupting with shouts of laughter at the payoff - oh my! Nothing better!

And staying up half the night - you're right - I am less tired the following mornings than I am when it is NOT flowing and I don't have a single creative thought in my head. Those mornings I feel my creaky knees and resentfully haul myself out of the featherbed. (maybe I should have covered them up more & kept them warm in my youth LOL). Glee

Glee

26-12-2004 19:04:06

OK, the Spiritual Experience.

God, as Hindus know, has many faces and many aspects. I really do not think God cares which face we assign him, as long as it helps us get to know *him*. (I call God "him" because that is comfortable and familiar for me, but do not personally think God is an old man with a beard. Insert whichever gender or not that appeals to you.)

Christians see God with three aspects, and all are one God. I've belonged to Christian denominations all my life without comprehending that. It was the aspect of Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita that finally got the concept through to me. In 50 years of being a Christian, I didn't feel a connection to Jesus until I no longer thought of him as a human being, but as one of the many faces of God.

Anyway, I was reading Debbie Ford's book, "The Dark Side of the Light Chasers", and she was getting the reader into visualization meditation. She had us visualize ascending into a perfect place and meeting our "highest" self, and embracing her. This I did with some difficulty. The next exercise was to descend to a miserable or frightening place, and encountering our "lowest" self, and embracing her.

I found myself in some kind of cellar. It was dark and dirty and greasy and cobwebby. I wanted out. Badly. But the only way out, an ancient, rotting set of wooden stairs, was barred by my lowest self, hunched over the railing with her back to me. That back was ugly. She scared me. The cellar was crammed from floor to ceiling with boxes of every shape and size. They were covered in filth, oozing dark nasty stuff from their broken corners. I heard ominous slithery growly sounds from within, and I knew they were the boxes I had locked in my mind.

I stood there, frozen in fear, and some part of my mind begged God for help. I said, "I can't do this alone."

And Jesus walked into the room.

He motioned me to the nearest box, and said, "Open it. It's all right. I'm right here." I opened it. It was my mother's coffee pot. There it was, real as could be, every familiar stain in place. Then it hit me. It wasn't mine. It was hers - and there wasn't anything scary about it at all.

I stood up and looked around me. The cellar had changed. It was still dark, but a warm, protective, comforting dark. Most of the boxes had disappeared. They had all belonged to somebody else. The ones that remained were of a manageable number and size, and they weren't dirty, just dusty, musty and dry. They were mine. I opened one. I didn't recognize the contents. Whatever had been in there had faded and mouldered away and wasn't worth keeping anymore.

I stood again and looked at the figure by the stairs. Jesus walked over to her and put his arm around her shoulders and turned her to face me. What a shock! It wasn't me at all. It was my mother. She gazed at me with that martyred, expectant look I knew so well. I had tried so hard for years to forgive her and move on, but truth is, the best I had achieved was to drop my hatred of her. I simply had never wanted to face her again, in this world or the next. But I always knew I had to, for closure.

"I want to forgive her. I want to love her," I told Jesus. "But, I just can't feel it in my heart."

"You want to. That's enough. You are mine, and I can do the rest." He turned my mother away from me, and held her closer. "She is mine, too," he said. "She and I have a great deal to work out together." The passage of what Jesus said about those who harm children came into my mind.

Jesus smiled at me, then he turned with my mother and left. I was left alone in my nice clean cellar, and everything was OK.

That's my story, Donald. I haven't been inside a church in years, but I feel closer to God than I ever have. I know he cares about me. It's a good feeling! Glee

JJ Moore

28-12-2004 07:10:50

Glee writes
JJ, I have gone and hijacked your introduction thread, and I am sorry. I notice you edited your initial intro, and I hope you didn't do that because you felt that it - or you - no longer mattered in this discussion. It absolutely does. not at all, the postings and replies are fantastic. Thank you.
The conversation are very insightful. The TRUTH is what matters.

Still not sure what to make about the whole choosing issue.

To decide when you die, based on excercise and diet, there are many examples of persons, that do not smoke nor drink, eat right and exercise, and drop dead of a massive heart attack. Sometimes this may be caused by genetic factors.

I love all the respones. Thank you, please continue.

Love, JJ

Glee

29-12-2004 09:01:27

H JJ D - glad you posted!

The journey is a long one, and different for each of us. We each have things that happen along the way which point us to specific insights we need at each moment in time. You may not be ready for some of the things discussed in many of these threads - I know I am not LOL! But even when we don't "get" something, sometimes a seed is planted that starts growing later on, when we ARE ready.

The famous line goes; "When the student is ready, the teacher appears."

Actually the teacher - (an infinite number!) - is ALWAYS around us, but we cannot see it until WE are ready, then it seems to magically appear.

Yes, we have to do what we can physically to get what we want - we have to maintain our health, set AND work towards our goals, establish relationships with family, friends, and business contacts, etc.

But what Dr. Dyer and other spiritual guides are telling us is that we operate on levels of energy and spirit, too.

When you get down to the level of the atoms that you are made of, you can see that you are really comprised of bits of energy with lots of empty space in between. There is no difference between the bits of energy - how they arrange themselves determines what "thing" they become. The bits of energy that make up a human are identical to the bits of energy that make up water, or wood, or stone, or metal.

Something calls these identical basic bits of energy to interact together, to vibrate in specific patterns that create a particular kind of substance. These substances somehow to arrange themselves in patterns that make up organic cells, or non-organic crystals, or chemical compounds, and these for some reason multiply and specialize themselves and, together, as ONE being, become a human, or a fish, or a world, or a universe.

Pretty mind boggling stuff.

Our "solid" bodies are made up of energy, directed by spirit.

Those who have done it, and say it works, tell us that we have the ability to conciously become part of this process; that WE, through our own spiritual source, can direct the energy around us and attract what we want to come into, and be part of, our lives. They are telling us that we can "intend", by physically and mentally and spiritually becoming part of that intention, and our intention will come to pass.

I am still a student of this myself, and have not reached a level where my life is being affected by this on a regular basis. But it has worked for me in specific cases.

I decided I wanted to meet Dr. Dyer, and talk to him and shake his hand. Soon after, an email from Hay House informed me of a PBS taping by him in Boston in a few months. I acted - sending for a ticket. I acted again - I drove into Boston, which always terrifies me, very early in the morning, and was one of the first people waiting in line. I found a seat in the very first row of the auditorium. I had the most incredible afternoon listening to Dr. Dyer talk about the power of intention. We made eye contact several times!

Afterwards, I waited, and after many people left, there was an announcement that Dr. Dyer would be signing autographs upstairs. I waited in line for a long time and had some delightful conversations with the people around me. When it was my turn, Dr. Dyer opened his arms to me and gave me a big hug, and we had a short but very warm talk. The power of intention! Glee

chris knight

29-12-2004 09:10:25

I decided I wanted to meet Dr. Dyer, and talk to him and shake his hand. Soon after, an email from Hay House informed me of a PBS taping by him in Boston in a few months. I acted - sending for a ticket. I acted again - I drove into Boston, which always terrifies me, very early in the morning, and was one of the first people waiting in line. I found a seat in the very first row of the auditorium. I had the most incredible afternoon listening to Dr. Dyer talk about the power of intention. We made eye contact several times!

Afterwards, I waited, and after many people left, there was an announcement that Dr. Dyer would be signing autographs upstairs. I waited in line for a long time and had some delightful conversations with the people around me. When it was my turn, Dr. Dyer opened his arms to me and gave me a big hug, and we had a short but very warm talk. The power of intention! Glee

Hey, I had a near identical experience...

Boston is the only place I have ever seen Dyer in person. It was when he was doing his Manifest Your Destiny tour and I had him sign his book.

Tracy, his daughter, was with him that day.

I didn't get a big hug but I didn't ask for one. 8)

This was back in 1999 or so.

gentlegiant

06-01-2005 20:31:14

Glee wrote Am so grateful God gave me many artistic talents - wish I felt I was fulfilling all of them, but have been pulled in so many directions I never feel I am. If I had ONE talent I would probably be a "star" by now, instead I am jack of all trades and master of none. What will I be when I grow up? I am STILL trying to figure that one out!
Sounds to me like you are fulfilling them perfectly. From the way you write, I can "hear" your wonderful passion and zest for life. I think many people who are "spiritual" are a "jack of all trades". I have felt that way at times in my life. But, as we are perfect "individuations" of God, why not be master of them all?

Namaste,

jillyc

21-01-2005 09:22:07

I haven't been to the forum in a while but thanks to Chris' reminder I came in today and have been reading this thread with interest.

A number of years ago I read (and still own) many of the Kryon books and that have a take on reincarnation that is very interesting.

I do believe that we choose the "bad" things that happen to us in childhood by choosing the life/family/location etc before we are born. It can be considered a game that we play to see if we can 'remember' who we are and why we are here. Maybe we made an agreement with the souls who are around us to be their child so they can learn the lesson or karma they need to as an abusive parent.

I chose to be born into a loving but evangelical family, this time, and my journey to remember has been very interesting, thankfully not abusive, but I am sure that in other life'times' that has been part of my experience, just not this go around. Sometimes being born into 'ease' can be as challenging to the spirit as being born into dis'ease'. It is easier to sink into the cushions than it is to 'remember'.

I hope this adds to the thread, I just love these discussions and thank you Chris for reminding me to come and visit.

namaste Jil

JJ Moore

21-01-2005 12:44:22

Glee writes

Yes, we have to do what we can physically to get what we want - we have to maintain our health, set AND work towards our goals, establish relationships with family, friends, and business contacts, etc.

Do yor really believe that ? And does it really matter ! When all is said and done, no one is keeping score. It is all a projection of your awareness. It is what it is. The choices are made for you, at the same time you are making them.

Glee writes

When you get down to the level of the atoms that you are made of, you can see that you are really comprised of bits of energy with lots of empty space in between. There is no difference between the bits of energy - how they arrange themselves determines what "thing" they become. The bits of energy that make up a human are identical to the bits of energy that make up water, or wood, or stone, or metal.

Levels of awareness, is what differentiates various matter.

Glee writes

Those who have done it, and say it works, tell us that we have the ability to conciously become part of this process; that WE, through our own spiritual source, can direct the energy around us and attract what we want to come into, and be part of, our lives. They are telling us that we can "intend", by physically and mentally and spiritually becoming part of that intention, and our intention will come to pass.

It has always been there. When you are ready for that choice, then you will make it, but that choice has already been manifested. That is the reason for being, to reach atman.

Thank you, Glee. I am sorry it has taken me so long to post a reply. I was having some trouble logging on to this web site.

Love,

JJ